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Mandalore Nov 22, 2021 @ 4:31pm
Are there B-double combinations in ATS?
Ive burnt 3 years on ETS2, and whilst I still intend to keep driving on it, A Canadian buddy of mine recently got all set up and I even used to live in Canada for a few years, so I figure it might be time to give ATS a shot,

However,

Being an Aussie and coming from a logistics family, one of my favorite things to do is haul B-double combinations ( not doubles, aka B and then A trailer, )

Are B-double combinations included in the game? I have my doubts as I never saw one in my 2-3 years in Canada/America.

Thanks!
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AyMazingATS Nov 22, 2021 @ 4:36pm 
Yes, there is.
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room217au Nov 22, 2021 @ 4:39pm 
The 'true' aussie b-doubles? Like Vawdrey and FTE? no. But there are mods.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2582553006
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Reese Nov 22, 2021 @ 4:58pm 
In the US and Canada, B-doubles are legal in many places. Not sure about B-triples or longer.

I've personally only seen a handful of B-doubles in the state of Ohio.

ATS has the option to buy them, with the same restrictions that ETS2 has. They can only be stored in states where it is legal.
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Mandalore Nov 22, 2021 @ 5:53pm 
Originally posted by Reese:
In the US and Canada, B-doubles are legal in many places. Not sure about B-triples or longer.

I've personally only seen a handful of B-doubles in the state of Ohio.

ATS has the option to buy them, with the same restrictions that ETS2 has. They can only be stored in states where it is legal.

Ok great, that's awesome.


Originally posted by room217au:
The 'true' aussie b-doubles? Like Vawdrey and FTE? no. But there are mods.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2582553006

Yeah I figured as much. I already use the " Doubles Anywhere " mod on ETS2, which makes it interesting on deliveries sometimes LOL.
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jimfols Nov 22, 2021 @ 7:36pm 
I own a set of B-Double grain trailers.

Go to vehicle browser
Click on trailer browser
Choose grain trailer
Choose B-Double
All trailers will not convert to B-Trains
We cannot pull these in all States
I am waiting for the B-Train fuel tanker.
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ThunderDownUnder Nov 22, 2021 @ 8:38pm 
This mod works for ATS:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1115188277
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Mandalore Dec 12, 2021 @ 4:38am 
ok so...

Just an update for anyone who's not aware... and i think room217 warned me and i missed it somehow...

But the trailers in this game is NOT classified as a B double. A B double is an A trailer ( 20-25ft ) with a B trailer ( 40-45ft trailer )

Literrally the B-doubles in this game are just two A trailers put together, and for some dumb reason you can have a 3 axle A trailer with a 2 axle trailer.. lol...

Oh well, I guess I just drag singles in ATS and drive ETS2 if I want " real " B doubles.

Americans... gotta be different to everybody huh.
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Reese Dec 12, 2021 @ 5:47am 
I'm having difficulty understanding the difference between "B-double" in American and Australian culture. Looking online, the term brings up the same trailer combinations for both.

Truck + trailer with a fifth wheel + trailer without a fifth wheel.
Truck [trailer that can pull a trailer like a truck] [typical trailer that can only be pulled, not pull]

The only difference I really see in photos is how far back the middle trailer axles go, which do indeed go much further behind the furthest bit of cargo on the middle trailer than in America.

Image related to a brake shoe distributor for brake applications, but shows cominations:
https://pp-trp-media.s3.ap-southeast-2.amazonaws.com/BRAKE_SHOE_KITS_TABLE-916x1024.jpg
This "B-double" combination is available in ATS and ETS2.
An "A-double" combination would be the same thing but uses a dolly inbetween the first and second trailer to connect them, using the dolly as a fifth wheel donor while the first trailer just has a hitch to pull the dolly. This combination is only available in ATS but not ETS2.

Is this different? Perhaps I'm searching the wrong terms, but as far as I can tell it's the same.
Last edited by Reese; Dec 12, 2021 @ 5:48am
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TwinShadow Dec 12, 2021 @ 5:47am 
Though they are legal, to be fair, you really only see them in the northern states probably anyway. The majority of the US run singles or STAA doubles (two double pups, which are 28 ft. trailers with a dolly).

And it's not so much as us being different really, we just have different legalities when it comes to how heavy trailers are allowed to be on US roads. Even then, Canada has somewhat differing laws on their own.
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room217au Dec 12, 2021 @ 6:41pm 
Originally posted by Reese:
I'm having difficulty understanding the difference between "B-double" in American and Australian culture. Looking online, the term brings up the same trailer combinations for both.
I stopped steering years ago, but how I remember it is this:

Essentially, the difference is the hitch method.
Road Train (AU) and Rocky Mountain Double (US) are the same thing.
lead trailer: connects to truck via 5th wheel (what we call a turntable), has 'ringfeder' hitch at rear. There are no front axles.
tag trailer: A 'draw bar' (a-frame when viewed from above), connects to the back of the lead trailer's ringfeder. The front axles are attached to the draw bar and swivel via a 5th wheel-style steering. You can add more trailers ala tag trailer style, but it's still called a road train here.

B-double (AB), B-triple (AAB)
All trailers hitch via a 5th wheel. No trailers have front axles.
Lead trailer is shorter. I have seen two sizes for lead trailers.

and then there's this:
https://www.ownerdriver.com.au/industry-news/1808/behind-the-build-australias-first-b-quad-hits-the-road
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room217au Dec 12, 2021 @ 6:56pm 
PS
We have geographical limits for these types of trucks too, but slightly different to USA.
Singles (standard semi trailer) and Doubles (AB) are allowed almost everywhere in the country. They regularly travel through cities and towns. The only real restriction is which particular roads they can NOT drive on in cities and towns. The fines for disobeying those restrictions are quite severe and in the thousands of dollars.
Most country towns have a "heavy vehicle bypass" scenario in place.

B-Triples, and Road Train triples, quads, etc, are not allowed east of the Dubbo Hub. Dubbo is about mmm 230 miles inland of the east coast. They must stop at Dubbo and reconfigure trailers either by storage or another truck taking the excess trailer(s).

We have weight restrictions on two major highways (that I know of) and they are the Pacific Hway (64ton) and The New England Highway (68ton). Heavier and/or wider loads require permits and escorts.

In the interior of the country, it's pretty much every man for himself LOL
Thus:
https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/1275304742?profile=RESIZE_710x&width=600
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Hiro Protagonist Dec 12, 2021 @ 7:01pm 
Starting to see more A-doubles on the roads here now, especially for tankers, with both trailers approx the same size
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Hiro Protagonist Dec 12, 2021 @ 7:07pm 
Originally posted by AoZhouLaoWai:
But the trailers in this game is NOT classified as a B double. A B double is an A trailer ( 20-25ft ) with a B trailer ( 40-45ft trailer )

Fairly certain that the A and B nomenclature doesn't refer to the position in the train (ie the front trailer isn't the A and the back one isn't the B), rather the connection type.

An A-trailer connects via drawbar, a B-trailer connects via 5th wheel. Thus, a B-double actually has two B-trailers. An "A-double" (seemingly becoming more common for tankers) are actually still two B-trailers, but with an A-B converter dolly between them
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