Realistic stability settings?

[Salem Graves]

I read that having both stability settings all the way left was the most realistic, but every little turn I make, causes the trailer to wobble all over the place, is this really realistic or is there a better stability setting to have?

[AyMazingATS]

First things first is what are you using to play the game? Wheel, controller or keyboard?

Since force feedback was changed in 1.42 all the way left is not even close to being realistic.

Everyone is different though when it comes to what they like to/want to feel.

I suggest putting Truck Stability, Suspension Stiffness, and Trailer Stability back into the middle and then adjusting from there.

[TW]

The way they have these trucks and trailers wobble just like the cabovers. In real life American conventional trucks do not wobble all over the place. Cabovers wobble because the cab in not bolted to the frame, conventional cabs are bolted to the frame thus keeping them from wobbling. The trailer in ATS wobble like mad for some silly reason. In real life the trailers wobble very, very little, except for the pup trailer on a set of doubles.

[Iron Spirit]

Although according to a SCS developer all sliders to the left is supposed be realistic, my truck and trailer seem to wobble at an unrealistic level compared to what I've seen from real life footage. Because of that I've been fiddling around a lot with the different settings and have found a combination for both ATS and ETS2 which currently is satisfactory to me. I suggest giving it a try:

g_truck_stability 0.125
g_trailer_stability 0.125
g_suspension_stiffness 0.2
g_cab_suspension_stiffness 0.0

[AyMazingATS]

Originally posted by Iron Spirit:

Although according to a SCS developer all sliders to the left is supposed be realistic

Maybe before 1.42 this was case but since force feedback was redone that is no longer the case and Max(SCS Developer) has said he disagrees on this.

Here is his post: https://forum.scssoft.com/viewtopic.php?p=1623909#p1623909

"well, whether the left-most settings are most realistic it is matter of opinion.

while i agree that our defaults might be bit too hard, i also diagree that left-most values give most realistic behavior. our default has its reasons - computation is more stable both physically nad numerically. and most of the game and truck behavior is tuned to default physics settings (stable computation) with regard of what is simulated and how and what is not simulated (yet).
if you set sliders left, you can get some more real-like behavior aspects, but with a cost that it might loose precision so other aspects are terribly off. it is all about combination and balance of all settings. and feelings of players as there are virtually no two players they would like the same game (depends mainly if they have driven one of real trucks and which one, or played various set of other games).

physics-based FFB just exposed this behavior bit more.
so, always start with defaults and then tweak all parameters carefully. everything is linked to everything other.

[Salem Graves]

Originally posted by AyMazingATS:

First things first is what are you using to play the game? Wheel, controller or keyboard?

Since force feedback was changed in 1.42 all the way left is not even close to being realistic.

Everyone is different though when it comes to what they like to/want to feel.

I suggest putting Truck Stability, Suspension Stiffness, and Trailer Stability back into the middle and then adjusting from there.

I'm using a logitech g29

Originally posted by Iron Spirit:

Although according to a SCS developer all sliders to the left is supposed be realistic, my truck and trailer seem to wobble at an unrealistic level compared to what I've seen from real life footage. Because of that I've been fiddling around a lot with the different settings and have found a combination for both ATS and ETS2 which currently is satisfactory to me. I suggest giving it a try:

g_truck_stability 0.125
g_trailer_stability 0.125
g_suspension_stiffness 0.2
g_cab_suspension_stiffness 0.0

I will try this out, thanks!

[Trucker_71]

For me all the sliders to the far right are most realistic. In real life trailers don't flip flop around going down the road and they don't tip over all that easily unless you're going too fast or have a high load.

[Salem Graves]

Originally posted by Trucker_71:

For me all the sliders to the far right are most realistic. In real life trailers don't flip flop around going down the road and they don't tip over all that easily unless you're going too fast or have a high load.

Does that not enable you to take sharp turns at crazy speeds?

[HighPlains Drifter]

Originally posted by Nose:

Originally posted by Trucker_71:

For me all the sliders to the far right are most realistic. In real life trailers don't flip flop around going down the road and they don't tip over all that easily unless you're going too fast or have a high load.

Does that not enable you to take sharp turns at crazy speeds?

No, not really you still flip easy.

[Trucker_71]

No, you do crazy speeds and you WILL tip over.

[Iron Spirit]

Originally posted by AyMazingATS:

Originally posted by Iron Spirit:

Although according to a SCS developer all sliders to the left is supposed be realistic

Maybe before 1.42 this was case but since force feedback was redone that is no longer the case and Max(SCS Developer) has said he disagrees on this.

Here is his post: https://forum.scssoft.com/viewtopic.php?p=1623909#p1623909

That's new information for me, thanks for sharing.

[☎need4naiim☎]

I move the slider closer to the left about a quarter of distance from middle for trailer stability.

For truck stability, i move the slider closer to Right about one-third of distance from middle point.

Suspension stiffness is a little stiffer than default.

With this way, the truck will move like the fighter-jet-shooted Freightliner of John McClane in movie Die Hard 4, if you start to move dangerously fast through high speed turns. So, you will be ALERTED to back off before your load gets tipped over.

[cyber_farmer]

I had a Chevy truck in high school that “all the bars to the left” would have seemed realistic but not for the trucks in this game

[UniBaLL]

In real life I drive a T680 with a 48 or 53 foot spread axle flatbed or 48 or 53 foot spread axle step deck. Usually close to 80K gross, most times low to medium center of gravity hauling metal, but bigger steel tube can be tall with a higher center of gravity.

I have not played for a couple of months. So cannot comment on current settings. But, setting the sliders for the stiffest settings was the most realistic. The soft settings way more sway than real life. The tractors & trailers in real life have torsion & sway bars to limit movement along with shocks, springs & airbags.

Keep in mind that dry van or reffers wind can have a much more pronounced affect on the trailer lean than turning. I have been in weather where with the flatbeds we can keep going the box trailers have to stop due to the big sail they have. They get blown off the road or turned over from the wind alone.

Most turns & curves there is no or very little body/trailer lean. In some circumstances like turning real sharp going slow doing a 90 or 180 some lean can be induced, and can get a little excessive, but you have to be turning a bit fast and combined with getting off the power to induce the most lean.

My tractor + trailer weight with full fuel will be a touch over 32,000 lbs. For example the current payload of various steel pieces I have on a 48 foot spread axle step deck is.

Front Steer Axle 12,540
Rear Drive Axles 31,200
Trailer Front 17,380
Trailer Rear 16,840

Total 77,960 lbs
Payload 45,960 lbs

In normal conditions even with road irregularities, turns or curves in the city or the highway induce very little to no lean.

When I can induce more lean is turning a 90 degree turn like at a traffic light going a little to fast then get off the power. Keep in mind that that 45,960 lb payload has momentum going in one direction, causing a turn as well as deceleration will induce some lean. Get on the power, and not nearly as severe a lean. Yes you can roll them over, but you have to do something stupid or encounter specific conditions. Driving legal speed limits does not induce undue lean or sway.

The game was more realistic to me with the stiffest settings. As for how realistic that is, is subjective. I have never rolled in real life, and would not want to approach that limit intentionally. I have seen many rolled & wrecked semi's. Mostly box trailers, once in awhile a flatbed.

Every time I wonder what they did wrong, because they Do Not Roll Easily.

In most cases it is due to a car doing something stupid causing the semi to get off road or out of shape trying to avoid contact. The worst are the idiots getting on the highway, do not look, getting on a 70-85 mph highway at 50 mph and try to merge into traffic without looking or getting up to speed with the moving traffic.

This morning, while I was on the phone/headset talking to my GF. Some idiot in a car was going slow in the middle lane, blocking traffic, making everyone go around. I went past him on his right side my left. I saw him with his phone in his right hand watching porn. I gave him a couple of long blast on the air horn, and he moved over to the right lane after I went past him. My GF was like really watching porn while driving what an idiot, my reply, no ♥♥♥♥!

Most accidents with semi's involved are caused by idiots in cars, usually on their phone or just plain clueless that they are are about to run into a 80K gross weight 75 foot long 12 foot high wall. Way to many ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ idiots are allowed to drive cars.

[Trucker_71]

Exactly, I'm retired after 45 years on the road, setting the sliders to the far right is most realistic in this game.

[Karlia]

^ Ditto still in the industry not as a driver anymore but as an owner, ALSO there was nothing worse than looking in the mirror and seeing trailers flopping around like a horses....... (tail).