Why do these trucks have no front mirrors?

[Rupty.]

Why do the trucks have no front mirrors to see the blind spot.
Especially with the big hood its hard to see something there. So why do trucks in the USA don't have these?

[Lord-Knight Fandragon]

Derek Tom eredeti hozzászólása:

American trucks have long noses for the same reasons that cars have hoods, to contain the engine and for aerodynamics. The driver stands lower and the center of gravity is lower too, the trucks are more stable this way I think! Instead, ask yourself why European trucks are flat in the front! Because of total lenght restrictions in Europe due to your road network, not by choice but by purpose! For the front mirror, I already seen some, just like on school buses!

European trucks look front heavy and quite unstable. When I played ETS2, I sat wondering how the 4 wheeled trucks dont tip over forward when going down a hill, or if you stop to quickly......they look like they are all front heavy, nothin else.

[JBM]

Lord-Knight Fandragon eredeti hozzászólása:

.....they look like they are all front heavy, nothin else.

Yep. All of that weight is down low. The cabs are very lightweight. Euro cabs tilt too, remember, for engine access.

[TW]

The main reason there are no mirrors like you are looking for is because this is American Truck Simulator. Here in the USA we don't need sissy mirrors to drive with the long hoods. Shhhhh what a question...

[JBM]

TW eredeti hozzászólása:

The main reason there are no mirrors like you are looking for is because this is American Truck Simulator. Here in the USA we don't need sissy mirrors to drive with the long hoods. Shhhhh what a question...

That's why we have so many entertaining compilation videos of American truckers sideswiping other vehicles and failing to notice huge obstacles or low bridges. Yeah, you guys are the best!

[Reese]

JBM eredeti hozzászólása:

TW eredeti hozzászólása:

The main reason there are no mirrors like you are looking for is because this is American Truck Simulator. Here in the USA we don't need sissy mirrors to drive with the long hoods. Shhhhh what a question...

That's why we have so many entertaining compilation videos of American truckers sideswiping other vehicles and failing to notice huge obstacles or low bridges. Yeah, you guys are the best! :lunar2019laughingpig:

That would happen with any place you could put a rear facing front mirror. Focusing more on the road around you and not what is directly in front of you. If vehicles would stop pulling into that spot, then there'd be less videos. It's almost always not the truckers fault that they start pushing vehicles with the nose. And up in the cab, it all sounds like a tire. You can't see or hear any vehicle there.

But even on cabovers, you have the same problem. Why would you even bother looking at such a small and distracting mirror. The only things that should be that close to the front bumper are things the driver of the truck knows will be there, like a fence post, bollard, wall, sign, trailer, whatever. There should never be a vehicle so close that it can't be seen without a front mirror.

My solution to this in my lifted pickup was to install a front-facing "backup" camera in my grill. While driving, I can just have the monitor show what's in front instead of my backup camera. Works miles better than any mirror.

[Alabama]

The main reason there are no mirrors like you are looking for is because this is American Truck Simulator. Here in the USA we don't need sissy mirrors to drive with the long hoods. Shhhhh what a question... very arrogant thing to say.

[meatballs_21]

JBM eredeti hozzászólása:

That's why we have so many entertaining compilation videos of American truckers sideswiping other vehicles and failing to notice huge obstacles or low bridges. Yeah, you guys are the best! :lunar2019laughingpig:

How will a mirror showing the front bumper of your truck prevent you striking obstacles to the side or above?

Bridges are struck all the time in Europe. The bridge going to my local railway station in Wales had its ironwork mangled by the amount of vehicles that had hit it.

[DeepFried]

Rupty. eredeti hozzászólása:

Why do the trucks have no front mirrors to see the blind spot.
Especially with the big hood its hard to see something there. So why do trucks in the USA don't have these?

American trucks with those long noses are called conventionals. You don't really need a mirror to see what is directly in front of your truck on a conventional design, the American trucking industry used to use cab over trucks like those in ETS2 as well, they used the windshield mirror, cab over trucks were deemed unsafe over the years by actual drivers and manufacturers as compared to conventional trucks.
This was all based off of actual data from crash reports, death count and testimony from drivers for the trucking industry. Cab over designs faded away in the USA during the 1980's and 1990's. Cab overs are few and far between these days on the roads in the USA. That "long nose" on conventional trucks offers crash protection and ease of access for work and maintenance that the cab over design does not, can not and won't ever be able to offer.
In Europe, the cab over design is necessary to traverse narrow roads and tight turns/curves in the old cities. Conventional trucks would not work in these places because of that "long nose", the turning radius between the 2 designs is like night and day.

[JBM]

meatballs_21 eredeti hozzászólása:

JBM eredeti hozzászólása:

That's why we have so many entertaining compilation videos of American truckers sideswiping other vehicles and failing to notice huge obstacles or low bridges. Yeah, you guys are the best!

How will a mirror showing the front bumper of your truck prevent you striking obstacles to the side or above?

It wouldn't. You missed the point of my comment.

[Goose_Few]

Please correct me, but afaik in a very short time, all Euro trucks will have a "nose" not as long as the American ones, guess something similar to the Scania T, it will be required by law.

So the front windshield mirror will be obsolete as well, and euro trucks must start using the hood mirrors.

[CSharpDude]

According to Wikipedia:

Wikipedia eredeti hozzászólása:

One of the reasons is the Federal Bridge Formula, which is unique to the US, and encourages spreading out the load. If axle distances are too tight, the maximum load allowance is reduced. For COEs operated at maximum weight in the US, this required an axle directly behind the front bumper. This cab design caused an awkward climb into the cab for the driver, forcing them to climb up behind the front wheel, then moving to the front and into the cab.

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cab_over

[meatballs_21]

JBM eredeti hozzászólása:

It wouldn't. You missed the point of my comment.

No, I understood it perfectly. There was no need to be rude.

[JBM]

meatballs_21 eredeti hozzászólása:

JBM eredeti hozzászólása:

It wouldn't. You missed the point of my comment.

No, I understood it perfectly. There was no need to be rude.

Trust me, you missed the point. Don't be so fragile.

[meatballs_21]

Goose_Few eredeti hozzászólása:

Please correct me, but afaik in a very short time, all Euro trucks will have a "nose" not as long as the American ones, guess something similar to the Scania T, it will be required by law.

So the front windshield mirror will be obsolete as well, and euro trucks must start using the hood mirrors.

This was news to me, and it took some digging to find reference to it (I think the law change got delayed?) but here we go:

https://jalopnik.com/europe-finally-discussing-how-inefficient-their-flat-fa-1546368753

https://motortransport.co.uk/blog/2019/02/15/end-of-the-brick-shaped-cab-eu-brings-truck-design-revisions-forward-to-2020/

JBM eredeti hozzászólása:

Trust me, you missed the point. Don't be so fragile.

Trust me, I didn’t. Let’s drop it.