Trucks in Truck stops

[Blue Mule]

Attention SCS! pLEASE FILL UP THE TRUCK STOPS! Truck stops should be half to full. We cannot hope for someone to make a mod for this, then stop making that mod. Would you please add more trucks to the truck stops on the next update?

[AyMazingATS]

You do realize the more they add to the truckstops that it is going to eat your fps and then cause stuttering, frame rate issues, and more.

This is extremely detrimental to someone on low end hardware.

There is a mod for this. It is not working on 1.38 but is in process of being updated.

[Royce]

Originally posted by AyMazingATS:

You do realize the more they add to the truckstops that it is going to eat your fps and then cause stuttering, frame rate issues, and more.

This is extremely detrimental to someone on low end hardware.

There is a mod for this. It is not working on 1.38 but is in process of being updated.

Give me a break. Seriously you going to claim a few more trucks at truck stops will break hardware? What about more states and trees in those states? I agree with the OP, instead of useless delivery vans sitting in stupid places why not make truck stops more interesting. Maybe some girls wandering around like vegas lol

[CursedPanther]

Originally posted by Royce:

Originally posted by AyMazingATS:

You do realize the more they add to the truckstops that it is going to eat your fps and then cause stuttering, frame rate issues, and more.

This is extremely detrimental to someone on low end hardware.

There is a mod for this. It is not working on 1.38 but is in process of being updated.

Give me a break. Seriously you going to claim a few more trucks at truck stops will break hardware? What about more states and trees in those states? I agree with the OP, instead of useless delivery vans sitting in stupid places why not make truck stops more interesting. Maybe some girls wandering around like vegas lol

It certainly will not 'break hardware', but some folks do play ATS with marginal minimum requirement hardware. Whatever more gets added to the base game, no doubt they'll be the first to notice the toll.

[Royce]

Originally posted by CursedPanther:

Originally posted by Royce:

Give me a break. Seriously you going to claim a few more trucks at truck stops will break hardware? What about more states and trees in those states? I agree with the OP, instead of useless delivery vans sitting in stupid places why not make truck stops more interesting. Maybe some girls wandering around like vegas lol

It certainly will not 'break hardware', but some folks do play ATS with marginal minimum requirement hardware. Whatever more gets added to the base game, no doubt they'll be the first to notice the toll.

So dont add anything new? Seriously..haha Idle trucks just sitting around i doubt would cause a serious fps issue. Girls might though.

[CursedPanther]

Originally posted by Royce:

So dont add anything new?

Totally not what I've said. The point is things need to take priority and the devs don't deem it absolute necessary at the moment.

[Royce]

So you seem to know what the devs deem necessary or not?

[Alabama]

What i do not get is people saying, the devs can not add anything because of low end PC's. You can not progress at the slowest pace. I have said this before it is running a race at the pace of the slowest runner , just to be fair to them. My PC is Ok but i would not stop them adding what ever they want just beacuse i may not ba able to play the game at that level. I know SCS have to aim at a certain average of people and what they may or may not be able to afford in PC term's, but then they will lose player's who can and do want the very best the devs can produce. Rock and a hard place. Myself i say throw whatever can be put in, then maybe i will buy a new PC.

[Reese]

Originally posted by Royce:

Originally posted by AyMazingATS:

You do realize the more they add to the truckstops that it is going to eat your fps and then cause stuttering, frame rate issues, and more.

This is extremely detrimental to someone on low end hardware.

There is a mod for this. It is not working on 1.38 but is in process of being updated.

Give me a break. Seriously you going to claim a few more trucks at truck stops will break hardware? What about more states and trees in those states?

A few more trucks(roughly 40k polygons or more each) vs trees(2 polygons generated with a single line of code). You tell me which causes more lag. More states would make no difference to lag, as so much is already culled as you travel through the world. California, other than some assets used by other states, is completely unloaded when you're in Washington for example.

Just AI traffic on its own in Vegas, ignoring the landscape, causes FPS to drop for players. Add in the player vehicle(significantly more polygons) and Vegas itself, you start running into major FPS issues for some players.

I would love for the truck stops to be their own challenge, but in terms of performance, I'd rather not see them packed full of trucks. When we get to Iowa, I do hope we get the Iowa-80 Truck Stop, but I surely hope my performance and the performance of others doesn't tank because someone wanted all 700 spots filled with trucks/trailers.

On a slightly unrelated note: As much as I like progress, I do remember being in the shoes of barely meeting minimum requirements. Sure the game shouldn't be held back due to old hardware, but at the same time older hardware is slowly dying out so each year we're getting slightly more performance-heavy features added because their FPS cut is nullified by the newest bottom-line. Adding more trucks to truck stops in a game that's already scaled down doesn't really make sense. That performance used should be better spent elsewhere.

[Royce]

Originally posted by Reese:

Originally posted by Royce:

Give me a break. Seriously you going to claim a few more trucks at truck stops will break hardware? What about more states and trees in those states?

A few more trucks(roughly 40k polygons or more each) vs trees(2 polygons generated with a single line of code). You tell me which causes more lag. More states would make no difference to lag, as so much is already culled as you travel through the world. California, other than some assets used by other states, is completely unloaded when you're in Washington for example.

Just AI traffic on its own in Vegas, ignoring the landscape, causes FPS to drop for players. Add in the player vehicle(significantly more polygons) and Vegas itself, you start running into major FPS issues for some players.

I would love for the truck stops to be their own challenge, but in terms of performance, I'd rather not see them packed full of trucks. When we get to Iowa, I do hope we get the Iowa-80 Truck Stop, but I surely hope my performance and the performance of others doesn't tank because someone wanted all 700 spots filled with trucks/trailers.

The whole idea that a few trucks will tank the game is stupid. Nobody suggested truck stops be packed with trucks. If the devs was concerned with polygons they wouldnt have so much ai traffic to begin with. I get the OP statement. Make truck stops seem like truck stops.

[CursedPanther]

Originally posted by Alabama:

What i do not get is people saying, the devs can not add anything because of low end PC's. You can not progress at the slowest pace. I have said this before it is running a race at the pace of the slowest runner , just to be fair to them. My PC is Ok but i would not stop them adding what ever they want just beacuse i may not ba able to play the game at that level. I know SCS have to aim at a certain average of people and what they may or may not be able to afford in PC term's, but then they will lose player's who can and do want the very best the devs can produce. Rock and a hard place. Myself i say throw whatever can be put in, then maybe i will buy a new PC.

The foundation of the 'fairness' here is that the guy who plays with a 450 does pay the same amount of money to buy the game as the other guy who has a 2080Ti. And because SCS has promised that the game should work on a more or less acceptable performance level with that minimum hardware requirement at the time of purchase, it means the guy with the 450 will always have to be taken into technical considerations base on common terms of sale. The only thing you can blame is the devs for setting the bar so low in the first place which will naturally hinder long term development in the graphical area one way or another.

[Royce]

Originally posted by CursedPanther:

Originally posted by Alabama:

What i do not get is people saying, the devs can not add anything because of low end PC's. You can not progress at the slowest pace. I have said this before it is running a race at the pace of the slowest runner , just to be fair to them. My PC is Ok but i would not stop them adding what ever they want just beacuse i may not ba able to play the game at that level. I know SCS have to aim at a certain average of people and what they may or may not be able to afford in PC term's, but then they will lose player's who can and do want the very best the devs can produce. Rock and a hard place. Myself i say throw whatever can be put in, then maybe i will buy a new PC.

The foundation of the 'fairness' here is that the guy who plays with a 450 does pay the same amount of money to buy the game as the other guy who has a 2080Ti. And because SCS has promised that the game should work on a more or less acceptable performance level with that minimum hardware requirement at the time of purchase, it means the guy with the 450 will always have to be taken into technical considerations. The only thing you can blame is the devs for setting the bar so low in the first place which will naturally hinder long term development in the graphical area one way or another.

Never heard of a company holding back because potato pcs rule.

[Alabama]

CursedPanther The only thing you can blame is the devs for setting the bar so low in the first place which will naturally hinder long term development in the graphical area one way or another.

That is a fair point, but by doing that SCS are cutting their own throat eventually people will stop buying the game, because it look's old or does not do what another devloper bring's out in a truck sim. I am going to be really harsh here, maybe the guy with the 450 should buy games aimed at that level, and not hold other's back.
The first thing i would fix before truck stop's and the like is the drawn ahead distance, mountain's popping up in front of the tuck is a real spoiler.
Hi Royce I like the potato pc, I would class mine as maybe a smoked salmon but not Caviar

[CursedPanther]

Originally posted by Alabama:

The first thing i would fix before truck stop's and the like is the drawn ahead distance, mountain's popping up in front of the tuck is a real spoiler.

This I would agree and the Prism3D engine is definitely showing its age in this area. I reckon the engine would have received a few major upgrades since 2002 but it'll probably need a complete overhaul to actually keep up with the top leagues. Then again SCS isn't the most funded game studio in the world so don't expect the magic to happen anytime soon.

Originally posted by Alabama:

That is a fair point, but by doing that SCS are cutting their own throat eventually people will stop buying the game, because it look's old or does not do what another devloper bring's out in a truck sim. I am going to be really harsh here, maybe the guy with the 450 should buy games aimed at that level, and not hold other's back.

Bottom line, no game lasts forever. Even if the devs recreate ATS with Unreal 5 tomorrow, someone will find it to be a lackluster few years later because there will always be advancement and comparisons. Anyway, ATS is a four and half years old game already which bases off the even older 2012 ETS2 so it's holding on fairly well up to this point.

[Royce]

Originally posted by CursedPanther:

Originally posted by Alabama:

The first thing i would fix before truck stop's and the like is the drawn ahead distance, mountain's popping up in front of the tuck is a real spoiler.

This I would agree and the Prism3D engine is definitely showing its age in this area. I reckon the engine would have received a few major upgrades since 2002 but it'll probably need a complete overhaul to actually keep up with the top leagues. Then again SCS isn't the most funded game studio in the world so don't expect the magic to happen anytime soon.

Originally posted by Alabama:

That is a fair point, but by doing that SCS are cutting their own throat eventually people will stop buying the game, because it look's old or does not do what another devloper bring's out in a truck sim. I am going to be really harsh here, maybe the guy with the 450 should buy games aimed at that level, and not hold other's back.

Bottom line, no game lasts forever. Even if the devs recreate ATS with Unreal 5 tomorrow, someone will find it to be a lackluster few years later because there will always be advancement and comparisons. Anyway, ATS is a four and half years old game already which bases off the even older 2012 ETS2.

But nothing else in its genre that comes close. So your analysis is its flawed because it is old? Also ATS uses Prism engine and its constantly updated.

[Lord-Knight Fandragon]

Originally posted by Royce:

Originally posted by AyMazingATS:

You do realize the more they add to the truckstops that it is going to eat your fps and then cause stuttering, frame rate issues, and more.

This is extremely detrimental to someone on low end hardware.

There is a mod for this. It is not working on 1.38 but is in process of being updated.

Give me a break. Seriously you going to claim a few more trucks at truck stops will break hardware? What about more states and trees in those states? I agree with the OP, instead of useless delivery vans sitting in stupid places why not make truck stops more interesting. Maybe some girls wandering around like vegas lol

Lol, the fkin trees legit do lag my ass out. I have them on low and sometimes get frame drops when I enter heavily forested areas. Not to bad, but I definitely notice the little stutters.