Range/Eaton Fuller choices

[vernongt47]

G'day all,
I drove a Peter built today and had no idea where my gears were going.

Let me explain.
I was told to set my H-shift to Eaton Fuller 18. OK???
I chose my 'quick job' and clicked "Drive"
Behind the wheel I went through the gear shifts to try to understand.
Nah!!! No good!

I got out, an went to my browser to see if I could find some help.
After falling out of my chair with dizziness, I continued looking for instructions. OK, I get it... I think? No I don't get it.

I downloaded a (PDF) file, and tried to make some comparison to my Logitech Shifted... Nup!!! Well, not so sure. Here's what I think.

Start engine.
Put shifter into 1L, release clutch, move off.
Depress clutch, shift to 2L, release clutch. Hmmm here we go!
Depress clutch, shift to 3L, hmmm getting fasster?!?!?
Depress clutch, shift to 4L, OK so far.
Press Toggle 1, depress clutch, huh? 5H??? OK, I'll keep going.
6H, 7H, 8H...
Then things began to entangle.

Firstly, after reading I learned that the two switches (toggles 1 & 2) are the Range switch and the Splitter switch. Say what???

Well by the time I arrived at my destination (6+ hours late), travelling no faster than 32mph, and bing advised that (when starting engine at pump) that my retarder was engaged. Press "." to disengage.

Press, press, press, no change to be noticeable!!!

Well now I find myself asking why can't I just user "Range" setting and shift through 1-6 toggle 1, shift through 7-12, toggle 2, shift through 13-18? Sounds fairly simple to me.

That now won't work. I went into "options" selected "H - Shifted" and also "Range" then came back to the truck..😕 One would think that I'd be able to drive the truck in my "range" comfort zone. NOT SO!!!

Why am I finding this so difficult? I'm a fairly savvy guy of 69. Perhaps I finally clicked over my 1,000,000 miles and became an "old fart"???

I dunno? I don't get the setup of an Eaton Fuller box and how I can make it work on my Logitech G920 + shifted.

Anyone wanna give it a try? Helping me turn this ATS back to fun and notb frustration?

Vernon 😑😣😕

[Rookie-31st]

Don't use quick jobs, those trucks might have any gearbox

[vernongt47]

But I don't have enough to buy my first truck yet.
Plus, I looked in on a Kenworth dealership and scrolled through the pre-built trucks... Urgggh!
Everything had some sort of Eaton Fuller transmission!
Oh dear me!!!

[vernongt47]

How can I build up my Balance in order to buy a truck?
There is no $98,000 trucks like ETS2.
What am I gonna do now?

[Nimir-Raj]

1. If you are using quick job engines, set your shifter to what ever engine is in the truck. You can see this information on the desktop screen and clicking diagnostics.

2. An 18 speed shift box has 9 gears. These gears are split into High and Low range to make 18.

The range shift gets you from 1/2/3/4th to 5/6/7/8th
The split shift gets you from Low to High (identified by either L or H after the gear number)

I could give you an indepth description of how it all works. But the best advice I can give would be to say put your shifter settings on whatever you feel most comfortable with. If that means putting in on a basic 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8 format then do it.

Once you own your own truck, you can then reconsider putting it back into one of the Eaton Fuller settings (to match the transmission you put in your truck, if the engine in the truck is a EA-10 speed, you'd want to use the same for your shifter setting as well) and practice in game without having to worry about deliverying a cargo at the same time.

Do what you feel is best for you and your enjoyment of the game.

[Rookie-31st]

I have been using automatic gearbox until I was able to afford 18-speed Easton Fuller for my first truck

You can still use manual if you prefer, but as said above you will need to check "Diagnostics' for every truck after starting Quick Job to make sure your controller settings match whatever gearbox is in the truck

[Mike]

Shifting through the 18 speed eatons is actually pretty easy once you know how it works.
Basically you have 18 gears in a row (just like the system you'd like to have). Just with different names. LL is your 1st gear and 8H your 18th... LL and LH are for very steep hill departures and stuff like that. 1L (which is your 3rd gear in total) is the first gear you can use in standard operation. It's really important to know the behavior of the gearbox and where the rpm is gonna be at after shifting. That is why splitting gears can be a very effective way to keep your speed...
You just have to get used to the different position and name they have.

Try some shifting while idling somewhere to get used to the layout of the gearbox. After that watch the rpm and where it is after up/downshifting so that you can see what to do in different situations e.g. downshifts on a hill, sweet spot upshifts and so on...

[vernongt47]

OK Mike,
That sounds fair, but I have at least two questions.
Let's say I want to use 'em all...
So, 1L thru 8L, then 1H thru 8H ( total = 16) not counting granny gears.

Do I go 1L - 4L range 1H - 4H split 5L - 8L range 5H - 8H
Or
1L - 4L, split, 5L - 8L, range, 1H - 4H, split, 5H - 8H

That's the part that confuses me PLUS in the "Options" it just says "Toggle 1" and "Toggle 2" and I don't know which one is the Range switch and which one is the Splitter switch.

I suppose if I knew that, I could go 1L, 1H, 2L, 2H, and so on...?

If someone would tell me whether Toggle 1 is the range or the split and then suggest how I go thru the gears (I mean what sequence I use).

Does that make it clearer?
Vernon

[Mike]

Originally posted by vernongt47:

OK Mike,
That sounds fair, but I have at least two questions.
Let's say I want to use 'em all...
So, 1L thru 8L, then 1H thru 8H ( total = 16) not counting granny gears.

Do I go 1L - 4L then split and do 1H - 4H then range and do 5L - 8L then split and do 5H - 8H

That's the part that confuses me PLUS in the "Options" it just says "Toggle 1" and "Toggle 2" and I don't know which one is the Range switch and which one is the Splitter switch.

I suppose if I knew that, I could go 1L, 1H, 2L, 2H, and so on...?

If someone would tell me whether Toggle 1 is the range or the split and then suggest how I go thru the gears (I mean what sequence I use).

Does that make it clearer?
Vernon

No. You will never use all the gears you have... You can skip gears. e.g. from 1H to 2L to 3H to H4 to 5L to 6H to 7L to 7H and whatever you need in a certain situation. Shifting through all the 16 standard gears is unnecessary. It also depends on the rpm you have. When you rev the engine up to 2000 rpm you will definetely skip a full (number) + split (L/H) gear, as the rpm of the next full L/H would be a little to high.

1 is range and 2 is split (as far as I remember)

Explaining that gearbox is harder than using it, though

[vernongt47]

Looks like I need money to buy my 1st truck so I can go out in Nevada somewhere and play with some sequences etc.

I knew that you don't use all gears, I was just using that as a graphical example!

So, looks like I go and invent some sequences and see how the truck performs. Hell, I don't even know what truck I'll buy yet!

In ETS2 I saved big time - then bought a MAN 440 and (R) setiesd Xmission. That was easy.

[Twelvefield]

Once you qualify for loans, you can get the bank to give you enough money for any truck you like. It's not hard to repay the loan if you drive well. However, you'll need XP to unlock the transmission.

I'm pretty sure you can mod that stuff into the game. You could create a profile just for modding so that you can try this stuff out.

It would be great if there was a truck school area where you could try out different trucks and practise different techniques with trailers.

[Mike]

Originally posted by vernongt47:

Looks like I need money to buy my 1st truck so I can go out in Nevada somewhere and play with some sequences etc.

I knew that you don't use all gears, I was just using that as a graphical example!

So, looks like I go and invent some sequences and see how the truck performs. Hell, I don't even know what truck I'll buy yet!

In ETS2 I saved big time - then bought a MAN 440 and (R) setiesd Xmission. That was easy.

Well, I may be slightly biased, really just a little bit, but If I were you I'd buy a Peterbilt
Class Pays and Pride Comes Standard...

[vernongt47]

That's how I used ETS2. In the Newbie stage, I took every top job (editing my skills aftetr reach job).

I got to drive everything on the road, kept driving every bodies trucks until I could buy my 1st truck (MAN) them I wore it out driving myself silly making money enough to buy another MAN and hire one guy.

Had to expand the garage to three bays to give him a place.

After I filled the garage with MANs, I splurged and bought me a Volvo FH16. I kept upgrading that Volvo until it was a FH16-750 with a 6 x 4 chassis.

Now I have two garages (London & Budapest) and they're full of guys n gals. Got them almost elevated to my level too and am seriously thinking about a third garage.

That's when I decided to buy ATS, and am just an Enthusiast without a truck. I don't fancy banks or loans, so I'll probably pay cash for everything here ad I did in ETS2.

Sorting out the Eaton Fuller gear situation is the toughest part.
Can't wait until I can "Free Roam" for practice, from time to time!?!

Cheers.
Vernon

[Gazer75]

Here Vernon. Look at this image.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/5e/4d/52/5e4d5244fb36ce9702e8aa7caf3032d8.jpg

You basically have 6 positions with 4 of them having 4 gears each kind of.
In Low range you got gears 1-4 that again are split into high and low. Then there is the high range with gears 5-8 that are also split into high and low.
Also the top left is reverse with high and low range.

The bottom left position named LO is basically a crawl gear used for very heavy loads.

Under normal driving you rarely need to bother splitting the low gears (1-4).
So the gear display on the GPS unit would show 1L through 4L. Then you press the range button and shift from 4L to 5L and then to 6L, or if load is heavy you simply hit the split button and go to 5H. Up from there you would have to hit the split each time to actually move from 5H to 6L to 6H and so on. If you didnt you'd be going to 6H and basically skipping a gear.

You have to really know the truck and what rpm it likes to be at at different speeds.
Going direct from one gear to the next like 5L to 6L would be a 400rpm difference.
Doing 5L to 5H would be around 200rpm.

[Nimir-Raj]

Depending on your load the general gear sequence with an 18 speed (with EA18 transmission) will look like this:

1L > 3L > 4L or 5L > 5L > 6L > 7L > 8L > 8H

Depending on the road and the weight of your trailer will determine if you need to use 7H and possibly 6H.



The only time I have ever needed to split gears in 5th and below is when using an overweight mod. A 62t CAT Dump Truck.

[Fury6]

First of all, you need to have the same gearbox set (the one you choose in the Options->Controller menu) as matches the gearbox you have in the truck. As mentioned in previous posts, you find that out by bringing up the Diagnostics page from the main menu.


Now, for the 18 speed gearbox, the full sequence will look like this:

low range, shifter in 1st slot:

1L ->flip splitter->release throttle->1H

flip splitter & shift to 2nd slot

2L->flip splitter->release throttle->2H

flip splitter & shift to 3rd slot

3L->flip splitter->release throttle->3H

flip splitter & shift to 4th slot

4L->flip splitter->release throttle->4H

flip range, flip splitter & shift to 1st slot

5L->flip splitter->release throttle->5H

flip splitter & shift to 2nd slot

6L->flip splitter->release throttle->6H

flip splitter & shift to 3rd slot

7L->flip splitter->release throttle->7H

flip splitter & shift to 4th slot

8L->flip splitter->release throttle->8H
--

For the vanilla loads in the game:
-Unloaded or lightly loaded, you might start off in 2L and skip every split until 8th.
-For remaining loads, you might start in 1L and skip every split until 5th or 6th.

When you're starting off on inclines, you may need to skip fewer (if any) splits, depending on the grade.

[edit]
Ooops, I should have pointed out that I assume the shifter slots are as following (which may differ depending on your shifter hardware and/or controller options settings):

- 1st slot:- 3rd gear slot on a 'normal' 6-speed shifter controller
- 2nd slot:- 4th gear slot on a 'normal' 6-speed shifter controller
- 3rd slot:- 5th gear slot on a 'normal' 6-speed shifter controller
- 4th slot:- 6th gear slot on a 'normal' 6-speed shifter controller