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Interpreting Engine and Transmission Stats?
So I have played ATS and ETS2 for quite some time now, but have never thought to research/ask this. It used to be that I would just try and get the highest HP engine available but especially in ATS I understand that that's not the way to go about it. I've googled on what the stats in the game's diagnostic and purchase pages tell me, but feel that I have never ♥♥♥♥♥♥ a clear answer on it.

So I am asking here: What do the values on the purchase and diagnostics pages tell me and how should I go about making a decision on which engine/transmission I should get?

Hopefully answers to this post can help others wondering the same thing.
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Ages ago I asked a question referring to transmissions in the SCS-forum. Someone came up with the following explanation:

"The numbers you see are the first gear and last gear ratio, and the axle ratio (like 3.83)

Like with this transmission, the one they've highlighted:

I-Shift AT2812D R: 12 speeds, 14.94-1.00, dif. 2.64.

14.94 is your first gear ratio
1.00 is your 12th gear ratio (meaning this is not an overdrive ♥♥♥♥♥♥)
dif. 2.64 is your axle ratio. This low number means you don't get a lot of acceleration, but you get good fuel economy.

The transmission below it, the AT3512D R is an overdrive transmission, 11.73-0.78, dif 3.08.
First gear is 11.73, 12th gear is 0.78, and the axle ratio is 3.08

With axle ratios, a low number = good fuel economy and a truck that accelerates slowly, and lower load capacity. A high axle ratio = lower fuel economy, a truck that accelerates faster, and a higher load capacity"

This helped me a lot. Maybe it will help you, too. At least regarding transmissions...
I guess I will try to help you with the engines. They are a little more complicated than the game represents.
So, we are given two numbers: horsepower, and torque at a given RPM. We will ignore horsepower for now, because it is a function of torque and RPM, not a fixed number, even though engines are labeled as though it is fixed.

Torque is the amount of rotational force supplied by the engine. This force travels from the engine, through the transmission and differential axle, to the drive wheels. This rotational force is what makes the wheels turn (or rotate), and the truck move. An engine with higher torque will be able to make the truck accelerate faster, and pull heavier loads.
But, torque is not a fixed number either, and also varies with RPM. So what we see in game is "peak torque", and RPM at which peak torque is achieved. But even this is a slight misrepresentation. In real life we usually have a peak torque range, where the torque curve is relatively flat. The number we're given in game is the beginning of the peak torque range.
The engine is generally most fuel efficient when operating within the peak torque range, so that's why it is given to us. If you're driving on a flat road, with a load that is relatively easy to pull, and there is no emergency situation, you should be driving in the peak torque range.

That's not the end of the story, though. Remember I said earlier that horsepower is a function of torque and RPM. Well, power (horsepower) is the rate at which work is done (as defined by physics), and it continues to rise with RPM even as torque starts to drop. This means you will do more work at the wheels at a higher RPM, at the cost of fuel efficiency. If you are pulling a heavier load and/or driving uphill, you'll want to drive in a higher RPM range, that is most likely outside of the peak torque range.

So when buying an engine, the main thing to look at is torque. In general, you want the highest torque engine you can afford. Some people think that spoils the fun of the game, though, since the biggest engine makes pulling even the heaviest loads easy. Another concern is fuel efficiency, since larger engines are less fuel efficient.

I hope this helps and doesn't just confuse you more.
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and it continues to rise with RPM even as torque starts to drop.
I need to say that this isn't necessarily true. While this sounds like it makes sense I have seen torque curve graphs indicating that a particular Ford engine was losing horsepower as it approached 7k RPM.
The camshaft was capable of breathing up to 7k however the carburetor simply couldn't supply enough fuel. I have also seen this occur in the curves for racing motorycles as well as American diesel engines.
Peak power doesn't necessarily have to be at peak RPM.
I'll be watching this thread very closely. Lots of cool information here. Keep'em coming!
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and it continues to rise with RPM even as torque starts to drop.
I need to say that this isn't necessarily true. While this sounds like it makes sense I have seen torque curve graphs indicating that a particular Ford engine was losing horsepower as it approached 7k RPM.
The camshaft was capable of breathing up to 7k however the carburetor simply couldn't supply enough fuel. I have also seen this occur in the curves for racing motorycles as well as American diesel engines.
Peak power doesn't necessarily have to be at peak RPM.
Of course horsepower will start to drop at some point, but it doesn't change the fact that it continues to rise when torque starts to drop. I appreciate the correction, but I don't think it was needed.

And you could have chosen a better example of horsepower drop. These large bore diesel engines will never see 7k RPM in regular use.
Actually, to better illustrate what both of us are saying, here is a link to a page for PACCAR engines that are actually in this game, showing both torque and horsepower curves:
https://paccarpowertrain.com/products/engines/paccar-mx-13/

You can plainly see that horsepower continues to rise for a bit after peak torque drops, and at some point it hits peak horsepower and starts to drop as well.
My example wasn't to say diesels will reach 7k. My point was that even as an engine can reach a given speed doesn't necessarily mean that it will benefit from it. 7k is just that point on a 351 Cleveland. The reason i felt the need to correct you is that it's easy to interpret what you said is that you will always increase horsepower with RPM.
While this is correct on paper the fuel delivery system actually needs to be able to support this as well. I don't mean to that you were wrong in your statement, only that the first thing in my mind was that peak power is never at max rpm unless the test was falsified[www.ultimatecarpage.com]
The above posts have given me some great information for both games. So to summarize and confirm, when looking at an engine, the main concern is the torque as that will determine my "pulling power". However HP also factors in for more work at higher RPM. Thus if I'm hauling a heavy load [or any load for that matter I guess], I would want to shift more in the peak power range to get going faster then do my best to cruise in the peak torque range, right?

As for the transmissions, I now understand what the ratios there are talking about in terms of inital gear and highest gear as well as the axle ratio. A follow up question to this however: In ATS, the Allison transmissions have an additional number that reads [I'll use the 4700 RDS as an example] "Torque: 2.42x". I get that it affects the torque of the engine in some way before getting to the drive wheels , but how exactly does it affect it and why do the other transmission brands not have this value?
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Thus if I'm hauling a heavy load [or any load for that matter I guess], I would want to shift more in the peak power range to get going faster then do my best to cruise in the peak torque range, right?
Basically, yes. But I would only try to stay in the power band when going uphill, or if I just want to accelerate faster.

As for your transmission question, the torque multiplier you're seeing on the Allison transmissions is a function of a real automatic transmission (with a torque converter). That is why the Eaton Fuller transmissions don't have it. They are all manual, or based on manual transmissions (even in automatic mode they are not truly "automatic"). I don't know how the torque converter works, so someone else will have to answer that.
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Basically, yes. But I would only try to stay in the power band when going uphill, or if I just want to accelerate faster.

So the only real benefit of running/shifting in a higher RPM would be for going uphill or getting off-the-line so to speak a little quicker at the cost of fuel burn?

I had a suspicion that the Allisons were automatics given how few gears they had. Still I would really like to know how the torque multiplier [as it would seem] affects how she drives and how that would compare to the manual ♥♥♥♥♥♥ [i.e. the pros and cons of the two types].
En son TheMtnFlyer tarafından düzenlendi; 20 Tem 2018 @ 9:29
Cool video! But still doesn't really answer my question how the "multiplied torque" on the Allison automatic in game seems to compare with the Eaton manual. Is it mainly just driving style that will show a difference?
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Cool video! But still doesn't really answer my question how the "multiplied torque" on the Allison automatic in game seems to compare with the Eaton manual. Is it mainly just driving style that will show a difference?
The way an automatic transmission functions is fundamentally different from a manual transmission. In an automatic, think of it in two parts, you have the gearbox and the torque converter.

The TC is like fluid clutch but it multiplies torque at very low speeds because the flow of transmission fluid acts like a reduction gear.
The easiest way to think about this is at this point the engine is spinning a turbine, because it is.

When the TC hits the coupling speed it will lock the turbine and impeller together and the gearbox is now the primary means of transferring power.

Think of both of these working in tandem to provide many more gear ratios then simply how many gears the gearbox has.
So would I be correct in saying that even though the auto ♥♥♥♥♥♥ has a smaller 1st gear ratio than one of the manuals, the 'increased' torque at the lower gears makes it feel like that ratio is higher?
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So would I be correct in saying that even though the auto ♥♥♥♥♥♥ has a smaller 1st gear ratio than one of the manuals, the 'increased' torque at the lower gears makes it feel like that ratio is higher?
Actually historically automatics have had pretty high (numerically) low first gear ratios simply because the torque converter can be built to take up the slack.

A good example i like to use is muscle cars, back in the day a 3 speed manual was standard, 4 speed was an option and automatic was an option but if you've ever driven a 3 speed ( i have and it sucks when you have no torque) you'd know your clutch would last less then 100k miles because of how much you had to slip it to actually get moving.

Well an automatic usually had the same ratios as a 3 speed manual but since it didn't have a clutch and had a torque converter, none of the negatives applied.

This topic is better explained by understanding stall speeds because that's really what's at play here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTfipsejqS0

I should say that a clutch in a traditional manual transmission, while it doesn't mutiply torque, can achieve a similar effect.
En son Charlie Kelly tarafından düzenlendi; 25 Tem 2018 @ 9:06
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