Why are there no Detroit Diesels?

[ubitmoosie]

I love detroits, but i am strictly mod free and workshop free. Any ideas why they dont have any in the game?

[ubitmoosie]

Sucks. I forgot which engine it is, but there are these old school buses called Crown Supercoaches in California and alot of them have horizontally mid mounted detroits and they are unbelievable. Videos cant capture the sound they make.

[scooter800m]

i don't mind adding detroit deisels in mods the problem i have is i can only find the v8.v8 or i6 detroits and only a few are good sounding. yet i can't find my dream detroit the fabulous 12 v 71 the the heavy duty semis used. WHERE THE HELL IS THE CORNER IT WAS STUFFED INTO AT!?!

[randythe1st]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย ubitmoosie:

If they did add them would they sound the same as the stock engines in the game or would they have the distinct Detroit roar?

they would'nt sound like the 71 series.

[Fury6]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย ubitmoosie:

Sucks. I forgot which engine it is, but there are these old school buses called Crown Supercoaches in California and alot of them have horizontally mid mounted detroits and they are unbelievable. Videos cant capture the sound they make.

Those would be the older Detroit two-stroke V configuration diesels, most likely six cyclinder for a coach - like the 6v71 (6 cyl. V configuration. 71 c.i. per cyl.) or 6v92. For heavy-duty trucks the 8v was more common, in either of those capacities, along with the odd 12v71 as well. With the combination of being both two-strokes and V configuration, their sound is particularly unique, distinctive and unmistakeable.

These are the engines most people think of when someone talks about Detroit Diesel though by no means did DD only ever make two-stroke engines. Their series 60 engine was also extremely popular and well regarded and like their modern HD diesels, these were 6 cyl. in-line four-strokes.
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The coach might also be an in-line version of the two-stroke, btw, which still sounds very similar, 6-71, 6-92...

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Umm, jeez, forgot to check the date - soz for the necro <sheepish grin>

[scooter800m]

anyone know a good detroit deisel 12v71 mod? i can't find any anoywhere.

[Calisthra]

If anyone makes a mod for the old 290, be sure to have the drip pan placed anytime the truck gets parked :p

Many modern city busses use the Detroit series 50. Has a unique sound to it but not the sound of power you get from the 12 or 14 litre series 60s. Now that I think on it a moment, they also like to spec the mercedes motors... very quiet but sluggish power curve for anything heavier than a bus.

[Asigion]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Fury6:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย ubitmoosie:

Sucks. I forgot which engine it is, but there are these old school buses called Crown Supercoaches in California and alot of them have horizontally mid mounted detroits and they are unbelievable. Videos cant capture the sound they make.

Those would be the older Detroit two-stroke V configuration diesels, most likely six cyclinder for a coach - like the 6v71 (6 cyl. V configuration. 71 c.i. per cyl.) or 6v92. For heavy-duty trucks the 8v was more common, in either of those capacities, along with the odd 12v71 as well. With the combination of being both two-strokes and V configuration, their sound is particularly unique, distinctive and unmistakeable.

These are the engines most people think of when someone talks about Detroit Diesel though by no means did DD only ever make two-stroke engines. Their series 60 engine was also extremely popular and well regarded and like their modern HD diesels, these were 6 cyl. in-line four-strokes.
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[edit]
The coach might also be an in-line version of the two-stroke, btw, which still sounds very similar, 6-71, 6-92...

[edit]
Umm, jeez, forgot to check the date - soz for the necro <sheepish grin>

Necro thread or not, that information is very interesting and thank you for posting it.

[Asigion]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย scooter800m:

anyone know a good detroit deisel 12v71 mod? i can't find any anoywhere.

I don't know of any available. This bloke has made one but not sure if he will release it or not. You could ask him.

https://forum.scssoft.com/viewtopic.php?f=212&t=256077

[Fury6]

Well, here's my 12v71 engine... sounds are another matter, though. I'm guessing you're more interested in sounds than the actual engine, but here it is anyway.

SiiNunit {
    accessory_engine_data: dd12v71.450.kenworth.w900.engine {
        name:                   "Detroit Diesel 12v71"
        price:                  36000
        unlock:                 0
        info[]:                 "450 @@hp@@ (336 @@kW@@)"
        info[]:                 "1@@dg@@560 @@lb-ft@@ (2@@dg@@115 @@nm@@)"
        info[]:                 "1@@dg@@250-1@@dg@@400 @@rpm@@"
        icon:                   "engine_01"

        volume:                 27.0 # 13.96 x 2 (two-stroke) for fuel calculation.
        consumption_coef:       1.0

        torque:                 2115
        secondary_torque:       -1
        secondary_torque_gear_ratio: 1.0

        torque_curve[]: (0,    0)
        torque_curve[]: (350,  0.2339)
        torque_curve[]: (450,  0.4227)
        torque_curve[]: (650,  0.76)
        torque_curve[]: (800,  0.87)
        torque_curve[]: (1000, 0.96)
        torque_curve[]: (1100, 0.985)
        torque_curve[]: (1200, 0.995)
        torque_curve[]: (1400, 1)
        torque_curve[]: (1600, 0.995)
        torque_curve[]: (1950, 0.955)
        torque_curve[]: (2100, 0.895)
        torque_curve[]: (2600, 0.5)
        torque_curve[]: (2800, 0.0)

        secondary_torque_curve[]:  (0, 0)

        resistance_torque:      -1

        rpm_idle:               650
        rpm_limit:              2400
        rpm_limit_neutral:      3000
        rpm_range_low_gear:     (1150,   1350)
        rpm_range_high_gear:    (1250,  1650)
        rpm_range_engine_brake: (1350,  2350)
        rpm_range_power_boost:  (300,   300)

        engine_brake:           2.0
        engine_brake_downshift: true
        engine_brake_positions: 3

        adblue_consumption:     0
        no_adblue_power_limit:  1.0

        overrides[]:             "/def/vehicle/truck/engine.fury6/sound/detroit/dd12v71_int.sii"
        overrides[]:             "/def/vehicle/truck/engine.fury6/sound/detroit/dd12v71_ext.sii"
    }
}

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NOTE: Engine volume two-stroke compensation isn't accurately tested, I basically just doubled the volume and left it at that, you might want to check and adjust it as necessary.

[scooter800m]

i want both sound and engine. the whole package. I'm willing to wait on you Fury6 while you get the sounds worked out.

[Edit] Might want to synthesis the engine sound if no good audio files are available. or find someone with good audio gear and another with a 12v71 powered truck

[ThunderDownUnder]

What's the resistance_torque for?

[scooter800m]

Fury6 if you already have a sound for it could you put a link to a ready to use mod? I do want to test its current state (and help refine it)

[YOGI]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย 𝒞𝒶𝓅𝓉 𝐹𝓊𝓏𝓏𝓎:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย hankpresecan:

Detroit is my country

Yeah, I grew up in Detroit, I'm staging a protest for lack of fair representation of Detroit Diesel in ATS..!

#DT490

While you at it, give em "HELL" for only Using two North American Truck Manufacturers please? I drove International TRUCKS for Decades..as they were Cheaper/easier to maintain, and didn't cost and arm and leg to buy YEP....White trucks/Hayes/Western Star/Ford/Sterling/etc...all sold/sell trucks in North American and around the world, so why not on ATS as well? (they retro trucks would not even NEED permission as they are Extinct?)

[YOGI]

CAT..quit producing engines for TRUCKS in the Early 21st century...last I heard too?

[Hiro Protagonist]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย mattdilllon:

CAT..quit producing engines for TRUCKS in the Early 21st century...last I heard too?

For on-highway trucks yes, they still make them for off-highway and industrial applications.