How do I float down and heel/toe?

[GDK GiggleSmoke]

1. Every time I try to heel and toe on Advanced, I always end up slamming on the brakes and killing the RPMs. My current method is getting completely off the brake and quickly blipping the throttle, then going back on. How do you heel/toe?

2. How on earth do you float down gears? I can float up a full range but down? I just end up grinding and going to a full stop.

[AyMazingATS]

When you downshift...you move into neutral then you have to get the rpm's up to get to the lower gear.

These transmissions are not synchronous like those in a car. Watch a video or two on youtube on how to downshift.

[GDK GiggleSmoke]

Originally posted by AyMazingATS:

When you downshift...you move into neutral then you have to get the rpm's up to get to the lower gear.

These transmissions are not synchronous like those in a car. Watch a video or two on youtube on how to downshift.

Ok thx, but how do you heel toe without going full brake?

[AyMazingATS]

Keep your heel more towards the base of the pedal. Would be harder to push at least in the real world.

On the pedals today I really don't think you have an option. You of course can try or continue to let off the brake...throttle up...into gear and back on the brake.

[Hiro Protagonist]

"Heel"-and-toe is only really relevant if you have tiny feet or pedals spaced massively apart. Otherwise, it's more of a "big-toe and little-toe". But because most consumer pedal sets these days have brakes that are _way_ too soft (or are based purely off travel and not force) it can be hard to keep the same relative amount of pressure on the brake whilst blipping the throttle (haven't had too much issue in ATS/ETS2, but in Project Cars 2 I found my braking force was fluctuating wildly every time I downshifted compared to if I left-foot braked and ignored the clutch)

[LarryA]

Forget the heal toe "Not" used in a semi truck IRL when floating gears. Left foot clutch/Break only. Right foot throttle only. Increase or decrease RPM move the toes only on the right foot. Learn the RPM split between the gears. "Do Not" allow the tractor to gain speed on a down hill grade when floating gears. Edit: Learn to skip gears when applicable, Practice, Practice and more Practice. Few of the basics.

[LittleBlueDuneBuggy]

Originally posted by LarryA:

Forget the heal toe "Not" used in a semi truck IRL when floating gears. Left foot clutch/Break only. Right foot throttle only. Increase or decrease RPM move the toes only on the right foot. Learn the RPM split between the gears. "Do Not" allow the tractor to gain speed on a down hill grade when floating gears. Edit: Learn to skip gears when applicable, Practice, Practice and more Practice. Few of the basics.

All true. You'd have to have feet the size of a sasquatch to heel toe in real life in a semi. In a regular vehicle, I use right foot for throttle and brake, and left foot only for clutch. In an automatic, I don't use my left foot at all.

But in a big truck it's different. If I'm trying to downshift, I'll clutch it out of gear, (because if I'm off the throttle, there's too much pressure on the gears to get it out without blipping the throttle a little bit) but then I move my left foot to the brake, and control the rpm with my right foot.

Don't get hung up on it. This isn't Fast and the Furious - even though those cars seem to have more gears than any big rig in history...

[ketfliper]

Hi,

it's good to set up a non-synchronized clutch in game conslole " g_hshifter_synchronized "0" " will perform with the clutch what we need for these maneuvers.
In game is synchronized clutch set up by default, but it is more suitable for cars.

Then downshift progressing is : - clutch - neutral - throttle + RPM and downshift to gear bellow.
When the down gear does not fall there just press the throttle once again but to higher RPM. ( same as for upshifting sometimes) Although it looks insane when you rush down the hill and you still adding RPM
When go downhill I also hold simultaneously enginebreak (easier downshifting) all the time and also using the trailer brakes. Which is also useful when starting uphill.

If you want to try it, it is good to have a suitable gearbox such as Eaton Fuller 13/18 if it is further referred to as manual are for example tagged RTLO. With the non-synchronous manual, there is another advantage of control over the truck and easier hevy hauling.

Breaks ... using downshift, engine break or retarder :-) together , so the brake is used at the end

[Twelvefield]

I dunno, my feet are pretty big... but a 5-ton is as big a truck as I've ever driven, so I can't say as to using heel-toe in a semi.

I find heel-toe works best if you can twist your right leg at the hip 45° or better clockwise. Twisting at the ankle is hard on the knee. It also helps if you wear good quality leather dress shoes with leather soles: you get more heel action and the soles are just grippy enough to work the pedals but not so grippy that twisting is hard. Thank NASCAR legend and pure gentleman Bill Elliott for that last tip.

As has been mentioned, you don't really need heel-toe to play ATS, but if you insist, the right footwear and technique helps considerably. Be aware that you sit differently at a computer than you do in a vehicle, so this kind of action can really be hard on your knees if yout do a lot of virtual driving. The only thing that helps is if you have one of those true-to-life racing/computer driving seats with rack points for your hardware.

[LittleBlueDuneBuggy]

Originally posted by Twelvefield:

I dunno, my feet are pretty big... but a 5-ton is as big a truck as I've ever driven, so I can't say as to using heel-toe in a semi.

I used to work on those in the Marine Corps (3521), but that was twenty years ago. I can't remember how far apart the pedals were. The 800 series were manual, and the 900 series were automatic. I could have sworn those ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ were syncronized.

[Twelvefield]

Originally posted by LittleBlueDuneBuggy:

Originally posted by Twelvefield:

I dunno, my feet are pretty big... but a 5-ton is as big a truck as I've ever driven, so I can't say as to using heel-toe in a semi.

I used to work on those in the Marine Corps (3521), but that was twenty years ago. I can't remember how far apart the pedals were. The 800 series were manual, and the 900 series were automatic. I could have sworn those ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ were syncronized.

I drove both stick and automatic. It was just a six-speed transmission as I recall, like a car. Like you, it was a long time ago and I had many more things on my mind than how far apart the pedals were, things like trying not to die young, stuff like that. Shifting was intuitive, or at least that's how I remember it. Everything was intuitive at that age.

[JustBad]

I never personally got the hang of floating down gears but could float up no issue. Honestly you dont need to float standard double clutching is easy enough the reason people float gears is when you are in traffic all the time the constant double clutching can be come tiresome/painful if you are older lol.

[JustBad]

Originally posted by LittleBlueDuneBuggy:

Originally posted by LarryA:

Forget the heal toe "Not" used in a semi truck IRL when floating gears. Left foot clutch/Break only. Right foot throttle only. Increase or decrease RPM move the toes only on the right foot. Learn the RPM split between the gears. "Do Not" allow the tractor to gain speed on a down hill grade when floating gears. Edit: Learn to skip gears when applicable, Practice, Practice and more Practice. Few of the basics.

All true. You'd have to have feet the size of a sasquatch to heel toe in real life in a semi. In a regular vehicle, I use right foot for throttle and brake, and left foot only for clutch. In an automatic, I don't use my left foot at all.

But in a big truck it's different. If I'm trying to downshift, I'll clutch it out of gear, (because if I'm off the throttle, there's too much pressure on the gears to get it out without blipping the throttle a little bit) but then I move my left foot to the brake, and control the rpm with my right foot.

Don't get hung up on it. This isn't Fast and the Furious - even though those cars seem to have more gears than any big rig in history...

What you mean you havent driven the 18 speed camaro?

Also ♥♥♥♥ 18 speeds.

[LittleBlueDuneBuggy]

Originally posted by Trump2020:

Originally posted by LittleBlueDuneBuggy:

All true. You'd have to have feet the size of a sasquatch to heel toe in real life in a semi. In a regular vehicle, I use right foot for throttle and brake, and left foot only for clutch. In an automatic, I don't use my left foot at all.

But in a big truck it's different. If I'm trying to downshift, I'll clutch it out of gear, (because if I'm off the throttle, there's too much pressure on the gears to get it out without blipping the throttle a little bit) but then I move my left foot to the brake, and control the rpm with my right foot.

Don't get hung up on it. This isn't Fast and the Furious - even though those cars seem to have more gears than any big rig in history...

What you mean you havent driven the 18 speed camaro?

Also ♥♥♥♥ 18 speeds.

Amen. Also, I'm really digging your username!!

[JustBad]

Originally posted by LittleBlueDuneBuggy:

Originally posted by Trump2020:

What you mean you havent driven the 18 speed camaro?

Also ♥♥♥♥ 18 speeds.

Amen. Also, I'm really digging your username!!

Thanks. Ill never forget when my first company tried to switch me from a 10 speed to a 6 speed to a 18 speed within the span of 2 weeks. I was like ♥♥♥♥ I just started driving and you want me to learn all these shift patterns right now lol.

[GDK GiggleSmoke]

Originally posted by Trump2020:

Originally posted by LittleBlueDuneBuggy:

Amen. Also, I'm really digging your username!!

Thanks. Ill never forget when my first company tried to switch me from a 10 speed to a 6 speed to a 18 speed within the span of 2 weeks. I was like ♥♥♥♥ I just started driving and you want me to learn all these shift patterns right now lol.

Lmao what do you think of the 13 speed?

Ps. Nice username :D