Realistic exhaust smoke

[SixPence59]

Hello SCS - ATS Programmer / Designer's,
Please build into the ATS and in ETS2 a realistic exhaust smoke, which simulates by engine speed a light gray to dark gray smoke.
This animation belongs to 100% in these really sublime games!

A modification (Mod) by the player is transient and has to be adapted.
But if it is integrated in the game cleanly it uses all players.

The program code for this action is really not much.

If possible with a switch smoke "on / off" the player can decide whether he wants to smoke.

Please give the two games this extra !!!

Best regards!
Hans Peter

[Puncake]

Not gonna happen

[Hemorrhoids]

Originally posted by KH Puncake:

Not gonna happen

Why do you think that they won't do it?

[Lone Wolf]

There was a mod that did this for ATS. But it had some problems. I think it was one of them use once and then that was it. I have not seen it in a long while now.

[NZPorterDJ]

Most well maintained diesel engines don't throw out any smoke... in fact, it is illegal to run a smoking diesel in many countries.

And -- I'd guess SCS isn't going to add smoke to exhaust due to the manufacturers not wanting their machines associated with antiquated ideas of the romance of a polluting engine and probably putting explicit conditions into their license agreements with SCS...

There are mods out there that do this, or you could just get behind the new clean, green image of the modern diesel industry...

[Capt Fuzzy]

Most modern trucks have Emission Control systems on them, virtually eliminating the "clouds" of smoke that the big rigs once belched out...
If one smokes now, it tends to mean that something is wrong and the truck is in need of maintenance or repair. In an effort to have some form of "accuracy" in the game, the trucks in the game do not emit smoke and from what I've read in other posts similar to this one, the trucks in ETS2 and ATS will NEVER belch smoke.., sorry.

[TwinShadow]

I think a good substitute is heat exhaust since about everyone else here has explained why actual smoke won't occur in the game. Also, in real life, if a modern diesel smokes, there is something seriously wrong with the engine.

[SixPence59]

Sorry guys,
At the moment you can not even see hot air coming out of the exhaust.

And even in the case of new trucks, there are still smoky smoke streaks.

SCS is to install a switch "smoke yes / no" which the player can decide how he wants to see his game visually.

Best regards
Hans Peter

[TwinShadow]

Now it sounds like you're demanding SCS to put it in, which won't win you any favors.

It has already been explained why smoke does not come from the exhausts.

First of all, the trucks in the game come from a model year of around 2010 and up (I'm estimating), long since EPA put in regulations for diesel engine emissions and requiring these trucks to have DEF which means, no more black smoke. Now, if one sees such smoke coming from those trucks, there is an issue with the engine itself and needs to be serviced rather soon.

Heat exhaust is at least a nice substitute to this. But it is up to SCS to implement, and even then, I don't find such a thing high priority anyway since I gather that a good 75% of players don't drive in the external view to see the pipes in the first place.

[Hemorrhoids]

Originally posted by Kitsu 狐:

I think a good substitute is heat exhaust since about everyone else here has explained why actual smoke won't occur in the game. Also, in real life, if a modern diesel smokes, there is something seriously wrong with the engine.

No not necessarily at all don't know where you get that... 9 times out of 10 your burning oil or there's times where it's just the quality of the diesel you put in the tank Or its just a sensor.. fact is all engines throw black smoke ecspecially diesels
But yeah If your swallowed by the smoke yeah chances are there's something seriously wrong lol..
There should be no promblem for SCS to enable at least exhaust (heat exauhst)...

[Rogue]

It's obvious it can be done. The Mod of the K108 Cabover has a mild, transparent, white smoke.
It looks very good.

[Hemorrhoids]

Originally posted by Capt Fuzzy:

Most modern trucks have Emission Control systems on them, virtually eliminating the "clouds" of smoke that the big rigs once belched out...
If one smokes now, it tends to mean that something is wrong and the truck is in need of maintenance or repair. In an effort to have some form of "accuracy" in the game, the trucks in the game do not emit smoke and from what I've read in other posts similar to this one, the trucks in ETS2 and ATS will NEVER belch smoke.., sorry.

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Them systems that your talking about are called "regens" and know how they work?
I'll tell ya they go over there and burn off all the soot that builds up in the exhaust.. But guess what there not that economical to use at all because guess what burns off that extra soot? I'll tell ya, it requires even more diesel so if your on a tight budget with diesel better stay away from em... I think there good in a semi truck but not with all the other crap there putting them on ecspeciaally in working equipment like loaders and so forth.. bercause if you dont let it run its cycle in so many times it locks down the motor and requires dealership mechanic to go out there and clear the codes and thats about a 1000 dollars a pop..

[room217au]

No truck manufacturer wants to see their late-model truck spewing black smoke. Laws and regulations dictate that trucks require diesel particulate diffusers (or some similar system) to remove the soot before emission. That's why SCS won't add the smoke.

Modders aren't hampered by such rules.
The black smoke you see provided by a mod is actually a particle generator. It is an accessory just like a headlight, paintjob or bullbar. Because of this, the smoke has no 'connection' to the engine, meaning the smoke is billowing out of the exhausts even when the engine is off.
If you're adding smoke for 'realism', then that aspect kills the realism.
"Why can't the smoke be triggered by the ignition key?"
Good question. To do this it was have to be part of the ignition key animation. If you think this game kills your FPS now, you got another thought coming.

Some time ago SCS changed the way the particle generator worked and all the exhaust-smoke mods stopped working. Not all of the modders decided to continue the mod. Some did. You can still find it on some mods.

[room217au]

Originally posted by marcaus1988:

it requires even more diesel so if your on a tight budget with diesel better stay away from em

They are electrical. Isuzu and Hino have a DPD at the end of the exhaust pipe. I see 'em all the time with rental trucks. The DPD can be set to auto-regen which means the DPD just does it's thing even when the engine is idling.
I would suspect, though, that a DPD after some years would probably need to be replaced but in this day and age, trucks are traded in a lot sooner than they used to be.
Trucks built before 1988 aren't required to have this system installed but if your vehicle emits black smoke for more than 10 secs at a time, the EPA will fine you $400.

[Hemorrhoids]

Originally posted by room217au:

Originally posted by marcaus1988:

it requires even more diesel so if your on a tight budget with diesel better stay away from em

They are electrical. Isuzu and Hino have a DPD at the end of the exhaust pipe. I see 'em all the time with rental trucks. The DPD can be set to auto-regen which means the DPD just does it's thing even when the engine is idling.
I would suspect, though, that a DPD after some years would probably need to be replaced but in this day and age, trucks are traded in a lot sooner than they used to be.
Trucks built before 1988 aren't required to have this system installed but if your vehicle emits black smoke for more than 10 secs at a time, the EPA will fine you $400.

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They are not all electrical either so dont know what your smoking there Yeah I see them all the time to and I work on the things....

For one you don't know what's in them contracts and the licensing agreement with the truck manafactures and SCS and knowone does at all so you can't say the reason why they don't implement it in the game...
Also to each state has its very own laws and regulations as well and that would have nothing to do with the truck manafactures and SCS licensing agreement to begin with...
Truck manafactures may not want to see smoke but we don't know it may be more of SCS. doesn't want to pay into it either we just don't know but it's not impossible for them to add into the game

[TwinShadow]

EPA regulations affect the entirety of the US, not just a few states.