So its looking like the base game is just a paid demo

[Arbus Arbus]

Well with new mexico likley being paid dlc including any other states released I have come to the conclusion I know own a aproximatley 16$ demo :/
You know I was really excited for this game but realizing im not one who can't drain my wallet into a truck simulation I am going to burn out on this game really fast.
I long for the days when you could buy a game and knew you where getting it all, you pay full price and you get a full game.
Now I have to count on a company to drip feed me little tid bits of games until I just can't take it anymore and leave.
I've been here from the start but I feel im being drowned out by the "Take my money!" crowd.
I am more confused by the amount of content in base euro truck simulator 2, and how its exponetialy larger then american truck simulator which already has the words "paid exspansions" in the air.
Arizona wasn't even planned to be free, im lucky I even go that.
I can tell SCS is making good use of my money and others, floating trees, mountains clipping in and out, you can break out of the map with minimal effort, ai is basic at best, lack of accuracy to real world locations, Everything feels hastily and slopily thrown together, there are models which you can see the other side of, visible holes in the map, I feel american truck simulator is slowly and slowly turning out to be a cash grab, its clearly under staffed, I feel bad with the map makers who have to throw all of this together to atleast get something out there, We have a grand total of 2 trucks, could the devs just not made fake brands until they could get licenes to use there real world equivilent.
I could go on but I am only going to upset those who are going to irrationally disregard me as a troll or cheap, I know the devs need money but it's not like the approximatley $13,993,000 of sales on the first day of release where insiginafigant, thats if 700,000 bought the game which is a low figure compared to what it actually was.
You know there are only so many exscuses a company can make when they start hiding content like this behind paywalls but it all comes down to someone wanting a bigger paycheck.
(Edit)
Igonore everything I just said, I was tired, I admit I am in the wrong and don't plan to write anything this stupid again.

[[PBS] epsilonion]

ETS 2 is better imo.. that coupled with promods = win win.. :)

Same ♥♥♥♥♥♥ engine in ATS..

52 states in ATS? dlc $16 x 52 plus 10 years to build them all lol (example)..

[Arbus Arbus]

Originally posted by epsilonion:

ETS 2 is better imo.. that coupled with promods = win win.. :)

Same ♥♥♥♥♥♥ engine in ATS..

52 states in ATS? dlc $16 x 52 plus 10 years to build them all lol (example)..

Well im sure everyone who works at scs is going to have a lot of money to blow on whatever they fancy if there community continues to blindly shower them with there hard earned cash.

[Reese]

I'd like to point out that the engine is the only thing the two games have in common. ETS2 is built from 4 or 5 different games in total, spanning over the course of at least 8 years now. That means ETS2 had a headstart of about 5 years in terms of content development. Considering that they've trained a new team(or I've heard 2 new teams?), that team will start working on content(or probably already have).

What SCS Software needs is a competitor. Someone who can easily win over the fanbase. Until that day comes, ETS2 and ATS will be the same slow-content games that you see them as now.

As for trucks, we have a grand total of 4, actually. And no, they went through too much trouble(6 years worth) getting the official licensing in ETS2 due to fake brands. They could, however, make fake trucks that don't resemble real life trucks, but then you've got mod quality trucks which aren't worth a damn.

As for the floating and clipping, it's all optimization. I can't recall who the video is from, but there exists one showing exactly how and why all of that is done. Short answer: Optimization. The engine is too damn old.

[Ornery]

Originally posted by WhatDidTheSurveySay?:

I am more confused by the amount of content in base euro truck simulator 2, and how its exponetialy larger then american truck simulator which already has the words "paid exspansions" in the air.

And how much longer has ETS2 been around?

Originally posted by epsilonion:

ETS 2 is better imo.. that coupled with promods = win win.. :)

Same ♥♥♥♥♥♥ engine in ATS..

52 states in ATS? dlc $16 x 52 plus 10 years to build them all lol (example)..

ETS2 is better than ATS with the same engine?
52 states?
I won't even try to fathom the broken math..

[BobGrey]

These troll posts are really getting stupid.

Originally posted by WhatDidTheSurveySay?:

I long for the days when you could buy a game and knew you where getting it all, you pay full price and you get a full game

You are getting the full game, not it's DLCs. A DLC is not a game, so it is not included in the game's price. Would you rather they release American Truck Simulator: California, American Truck Simulator: Nevada, American Truck Simulator: Arizona, American Truck Simulator: New Mexico, and each other state all as separate games entirely? Or have them all in one game that is split into DLCs added to the game?
This is how the game industry works now. With better technology on new generation devices, games can be bigger and better, so rather than making a game, wanting to add to, so needing to make a new separate game, a game can be made and have DLCs to add to it. This also cheaper for the consumer because the main part of the content has been made; the base world, base content, base story, etc.

Originally posted by WhatDidTheSurveySay?:

I am more confused by the amount of content in base euro truck simulator 2, and how its exponetialy larger then american truck simulator

ETS2 was not much larger. Also, almost all of it was just copy/paste from previous games. Had those previous games been newer, ETS2 would just be paid DLCs. All the DLCs of ETS2 would just be more of them, added to the original.

Originally posted by WhatDidTheSurveySay?:

I can tell SCS is making good use of my money and others, floating trees, mountains clipping in and out, you can break out of the map with minimal effort, ai is basic at best, lack of accuracy to real world locations, Everything feels hastily and slopily thrown together, there are models which you can see the other side of, visible holes in the map,

You think you can do better?
If so, go for it and give to all of us for free or less than $20 for it and all extras.
If not, shut up.

Fake trucks: no, they already had legal issues because of that.
2 trucks? No, four.
Under staffed? Yes, it is. They are dealing with two games, both of which have very b*tchy trolls of customers who either demand new content fast, or say it is too hasty and has issues, like "floating trees" and crappy AI. They hired a new team just to help expand one of those games (ATS) but had to teach them to use the tools while also making content. Then they moved offices to accommodate the growing teams. They also have massive expenses. A company has to pay each employee at least minimum wage, property taxes, utilities (which are not cheap with that amount of people using water and energy for all that technology) and, obviously, income tax. Also, in some places, they also pay a tax for each employee. All of that first day sales income likely went to hiring new people for better development and Arizona. Also, to cover the cost to make the game in the first place.
If you don't like this game, SCS, or the way they operate, do some research as to how, why, and what companies and the game industry do. Then make some suggestions (SCS has a spot specifically for suggestions on their forums). Honestly, chances are that people will quickly tell you why it is, or cannot be, met. Usually they have very valid reasons.
The reason I am posting this though is because every single point you have brought up has been discussions hundreds, if not hundreds of thousands, of times. The result has been the same on all of them. SCS opperates, makes, and sells, their games as any company does with their products. Nothing can change it.

[Arbus Arbus]

Originally posted by Frontiersman:

Originally posted by WhatDidTheSurveySay?:

I am more confused by the amount of content in base euro truck simulator 2, and how its exponetialy larger then american truck simulator which already has the words "paid exspansions" in the air.

And how much longer has ETS2 been around?

Originally posted by epsilonion:

ETS 2 is better imo.. that coupled with promods = win win.. :)

Same ♥♥♥♥♥♥ engine in ATS..

52 states in ATS? dlc $16 x 52 plus 10 years to build them all lol (example)..

ETS2 is better than ATS with the same engine?
52 states?
I won't even try to fathom the broken math..

Yes ets2 has been around longer but it still is getting more base game content then ats, I feel like sales have just dropped of and there making a last ditch effort to squize this cash cow dry.

[Ornery]

Originally posted by WhatDidTheSurveySay?:

Yes ets2 has been around longer but it still is getting more base game content then ats

If you mean more as in more than ATS = it's been around longer
If you mean more as in still, well sure, it's still actively being developed.

Originally posted by WhatDidTheSurveySay?:

I feel like sales have just dropped of and there making a last ditch effort to squize this cash cow dry.

Sales do tend to decrease as time goes on from release. DLC keeps the developers paid and brings more to the game.

[Arbus Arbus]

Originally posted by BobGrey:

These troll posts are really getting stupid.

Originally posted by WhatDidTheSurveySay?:

I long for the days when you could buy a game and knew you where getting it all, you pay full price and you get a full game

You are getting the full game, not it's DLCs. A DLC is not a game, so it is not included in the game's price. Would you rather they release American Truck Simulator: California, American Truck Simulator: Nevada, American Truck Simulator: Arizona, American Truck Simulator: New Mexico, and each other state all as separate games entirely? Or have them all in one game that is split into DLCs added to the game?
This is how the game industry works now. With better technology on new generation devices, games can be bigger and better, so rather than making a game, wanting to add to, so needing to make a new separate game, a game can be made and have DLCs to add to it. This also cheaper for the consumer because the main part of the content has been made; the base world, base content, base story, etc.

Originally posted by WhatDidTheSurveySay?:

I am more confused by the amount of content in base euro truck simulator 2, and how its exponetialy larger then american truck simulator

ETS2 was not much larger. Also, almost all of it was just copy/paste from previous games. Had those previous games been newer, ETS2 would just be paid DLCs. All the DLCs of ETS2 would just be more of them, added to the original.

Originally posted by WhatDidTheSurveySay?:

I can tell SCS is making good use of my money and others, floating trees, mountains clipping in and out, you can break out of the map with minimal effort, ai is basic at best, lack of accuracy to real world locations, Everything feels hastily and slopily thrown together, there are models which you can see the other side of, visible holes in the map,

You think you can do better?
If so, go for it and give to all of us for free or less than $20 for it and all extras.
If not, shut up.

Fake trucks: no, they already had legal issues because of that.
2 trucks? No, four.
Under staffed? Yes, it is. They are dealing with two games, both of which have very b*tchy trolls of customers who either demand new content fast, or say it is too hasty and has issues, like "floating trees" and crappy AI. They hired a new team just to help expand one of those games (ATS) but had to teach them to use the tools while also making content. Then they moved offices to accommodate the growing teams. They also have massive expenses. A company has to pay each employee at least minimum wage, property taxes, utilities (which are not cheap with that amount of people using water and energy for all that technology) and, obviously, income tax. Also, in some places, they also pay a tax for each employee. All of that first day sales income likely went to hiring new people for better development and Arizona. Also, to cover the cost to make the game in the first place.
If you don't like this game, SCS, or the way they operate, do some research as to how, why, and what companies and the game industry do. Then make some suggestions (SCS has a spot specifically for suggestions on their forums). Honestly, chances are that people will quickly tell you why it is, or cannot be, met. Usually they have very valid reasons.
The reason I am posting this though is because every single point you have brought up has been discussions hundreds, if not hundreds of thousands, of times. The result has been the same on all of them. SCS opperates, makes, and sells, their games as any company does with their products. Nothing can change it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0xeKaV5V5M
Mod i've been working on for a game, give me a few years yeah it could reach a decent size, for free!
1 person, who does this simply as a side hobby, I cannot produce anything major but I know working with a team of people and a really efficent program I would have so much more to show, maybe I will start working on my own map expasnsion for ats, I wouldn't mind.

[Arbus Arbus]

I would also like to state that I do plan to buy the dlc if it is fairly priced, I just don't won't each state to cost an arm and a leg.

[Ornery]

Originally posted by WhatDidTheSurveySay?:

I would also like to state that I do plan to buy the dlc if it is fairly priced, I just don't won't each state to cost an arm and a leg.

New Mexico is big. Much bigger than a whole lot of the remaining continental states.

[Arbus Arbus]

Originally posted by Frontiersman:

Originally posted by WhatDidTheSurveySay?:

I would also like to state that I do plan to buy the dlc if it is fairly priced, I just don't won't each state to cost an arm and a leg.

New Mexico is big. Much bigger than a whole lot of the remaining continental states.

If all of new mexico looks as good as the screenshots then it will definetly be worth 15$, the important thing is that it needs variaty.

[Ornery]

Originally posted by WhatDidTheSurveySay?:

I long for the days when you could buy a game and knew you where getting it all, you pay full price and you get a full game.

Just noticed this in your OP. Do you really? I have a closet full of boxes containing many, many games just like that. Some haven't seen the light of day in over 20 years. No thanks, I like living games that get updated and expanded.

[Ornery]

Originally posted by WhatDidTheSurveySay?:

Originally posted by Frontiersman:

New Mexico is big. Much bigger than a whole lot of the remaining continental states.

If all of new mexico looks as good as the screenshots then it will definetly be worth 15$, the important thing is that it needs variaty.

There will be plenty of variety I'm sure :)

[Arbus Arbus]

Originally posted by Frontiersman:

Originally posted by WhatDidTheSurveySay?:

If all of new mexico looks as good as the screenshots then it will definetly be worth 15$, the important thing is that it needs variaty.

There will be plenty of variety I'm sure :)

Yeah I realize now that games like American Truck Simulator are not gonna be perfect in a day or even a year, it takes time and refinment, over time things will get better but right now I feel like a lot of the work going into the rescale, I just need to be patient.

[issorrone]

Originally posted by epsilonion:

ETS 2 is better imo.. that coupled with promods = win win.. :)

Same ♥♥♥♥♥♥ engine in ATS..

52 states in ATS? dlc $16 x 52 plus 10 years to build them all lol (example)..

YEAHHHH 52 Saates in comes out in 2070..... SCS..... slow slower slowest....