Phoenix vs. Dragon shrine renown recommendation?

[Anutha_1]

Between the two, early game wise, is there a better one to upgrade first?

[wyldgamers]

skip Dragon until you know more food recipes or cooking is gonna get old quick.

[The Rinja]

Originally posted by rhemyrs:

skip Dragon until you know more food recipes or cooking is gonna get old quick.

...that doesn't make much sense. No matter what your max is... you always want the bar filling, so you always want to be cooking.

@OP: A mixture of both, because of Diminishing Returns, but probably biased towards Phoenix, since you can always just "cook more food" your max focus is more a convenience thing. (It's basically convenient to eat more potent food. Less cooking instances, less eating, more focus, but it's a waste unless you have the room for it.)

Your first few levels in each are the strongest. As you progress each, the reward for each level is less and less. Right now my focus bonus is 90%, and I think 1 level is 1%. But my first level up was way more than 1%.

[wyldgamers]

Originally posted by The Rinja:

Originally posted by rhemyrs:

skip Dragon until you know more food recipes or cooking is gonna get old quick.

...that doesn't make much sense. No matter what your max is... you always want the bar filling, so you always want to be cooking.

@OP: A mixture of both, because of Diminishing Returns, but probably biased towards Phoenix, since you can always just "cook more food" your max focus is more a convenience thing. (It's basically convenient to eat more potent food. Less cooking instances, less eating, more focus, but it's a waste unless you have the room for it.)

Your first few levels in each are the strongest. As you progress each, the reward for each level is less and less. Right now my focus bonus is 90%, and I think 1 level is 1%. But my first level up was way more than 1%.

doesn't have to make sense, I shared my opinion from playing the game. had you asked for clarification, I would have said:

when I had beginning starter Focus (whatever it was 100-150?) I felt like I ate scarcely and was easily managing my Focus vs. activities with recipes provided. I earned food that restored 300+ focus before I even cracked 200 and I still barely ate.

assuming that increased levels and skills require more focus (as it usually does in games) it still doesn't explain how SOMEHOW I seem to be cooking/eating WAAAY more frequently at 500-600 focus than beginning levels. I had MAX'd my equipment and could farm my entire 9x9 plot without running out of focus. Now, at 10+ farming skill and 600 focus, my bar is approximately 1/4 full.

so you're absolutely right. it doesn't make sense. but I wish I had focused on Phoenix blessing early game rather than Dragon because, later in the game, it doesn't seem to benefit as much it seems it would.

[The Rinja]

Originally posted by rhemyrs:

Originally posted by The Rinja:

...that doesn't make much sense. No matter what your max is... you always want the bar filling, so you always want to be cooking.

@OP: A mixture of both, because of Diminishing Returns, but probably biased towards Phoenix, since you can always just "cook more food" your max focus is more a convenience thing. (It's basically convenient to eat more potent food. Less cooking instances, less eating, more focus, but it's a waste unless you have the room for it.)

Your first few levels in each are the strongest. As you progress each, the reward for each level is less and less. Right now my focus bonus is 90%, and I think 1 level is 1%. But my first level up was way more than 1%.

doesn't have to make sense, I shared my opinion from playing the game. had you asked for clarification, I would have said:

when I had beginning starter Focus (whatever it was 100-150?) I felt like I ate scarcely and was easily managing my Focus vs. activities with recipes provided. I earned food that restored 300+ focus before I even cracked 200 and I still barely ate.

assuming that increased levels and skills require more focus (as it usually does in games) it still doesn't explain how SOMEHOW I seem to be cooking/eating WAAAY more frequently at 500-600 focus than beginning levels. I had MAX'd my equipment and could farm my entire 9x9 plot without running out of focus. Now, at 10+ farming skill and 600 focus, my bar is approximately 1/4 full.

so you're absolutely right. it doesn't make sense. but I wish I had focused on Phoenix blessing early game rather than Dragon because, later in the game, it doesn't seem to benefit as much it seems it would.

????

Okay so, say picking up a bug off the ground costs me 20 focus. Why does it matter what difference my maximum is?

Also, by having a smaller bar, you have to cook MORE. If my max is 200, the most I can make per eat is 200. So it is a waste to craft something that restores more than 200. If I go out and spend "1000 focus" that means I eat 5 times at 200 focus an eat. But if my max is 500... I only have to eat twice. If I have max focus, I only have to eat once.

What you are experiencing is your tools are better. So you work faster. So you drain focus faster. Also, we have to consider the effects of the Phoenix shrine. What if the 90% bonus means using more focus up than when I had a 70% bonus? That just means that the same actions use more focus, like farming, but it IS translating into more experience towards the skill too.

[Einherjar]

I'd lean more on the focus bonus, aka the phoenix shrine, until you have a good stockpile of food materials.. Having to keep your focus topped up gets harder if you start on the high end recipes too quickly..

[maru_ru]

Originally posted by Einherjar:

I'd lean more on the focus bonus, aka the phoenix shrine, until you have a good stockpile of food materials.. Having to keep your focus topped up gets harder if you start on the high end recipes too quickly..

I agree with this but fyi, the higher the percentage bonus the faster the bar emptied if I'm not wrong..so, balanced it out..all the best..

[The Rinja]

Yall. Focus is like fuel. You're not mathing correctly if you think having a lower maximum has anything to do with the rate at which it is draining. Having a higher maximum means LESS keeping up on your focus because you can eat ONCE and fill up a HUGE bar which takes longer to drain. A focus bar of 1000 takes 5 times as long to drain as a focus bar of 200. A focus bar of 200 requires I cook 5 portions of 200 meals to "use" a 1000 focus. A focus bar of 1000 requires I cook *one* portion of 1000 meal to use 1000 focus. More max means LESS focus grinding.

[Kiki]

Best recommendation i got, back when i was new - level them evenly.
It worked for me, and i reckon it will still work! :)

[Anutha_1]

Originally posted by The Rinja:

Yall. Focus is like fuel. You're not mathing correctly if you think having a lower maximum has anything to do with the rate at which it is draining. Having a higher maximum means LESS keeping up on your focus because you can eat ONCE and fill up a HUGE bar which takes longer to drain. A focus bar of 1000 takes 5 times as long to drain as a focus bar of 200. A focus bar of 200 requires I cook 5 portions of 200 meals to "use" a 1000 focus. A focus bar of 1000 requires I cook *one* portion of 1000 meal to use 1000 focus. More max means LESS focus grinding.

I get what you're saying here but early game we don't even have the ability to cook a 1000 focus meal off the bat as far as I'm aware.

Either way, going back to early game here, I believe our starting focus bonus is 30% because that is what mine is at and I didn't realize to even head back to the Phoenix Shrine to exchange my gained Renown there (until I watched a tips video on the game) as I was exchanging it all at the Dragon Shrine after running across it the first time. So, in the meanwhile, my max focus is at 550. From that tips video, it indicates the higher the focus bonus, you'll earn more XP from every given action.

If that is correct, it would seem to me one would be better off exchanging the Renown until nearly maxing out your focus bonus or at least until this point: "Right now my focus bonus is 90%, and I think 1 level is 1%. But my first level up was way more than 1%."

Maybe not wait until 90% but still focus on increasing the focus bonus first over the max as you can always cook food to increase your focus, however low it is, back to its max.

[The Rinja]

Originally posted by Anutha_1:

Originally posted by The Rinja:

Yall. Focus is like fuel. You're not mathing correctly if you think having a lower maximum has anything to do with the rate at which it is draining. Having a higher maximum means LESS keeping up on your focus because you can eat ONCE and fill up a HUGE bar which takes longer to drain. A focus bar of 1000 takes 5 times as long to drain as a focus bar of 200. A focus bar of 200 requires I cook 5 portions of 200 meals to "use" a 1000 focus. A focus bar of 1000 requires I cook *one* portion of 1000 meal to use 1000 focus. More max means LESS focus grinding.

we don't even have the ability to cook a 1000 focus meal off the bat as far as I'm aware.

No ♥♥♥♥? What does that have to do with ANYTHING?! So?!

If you don't have 1000 focus yet you don't even WANT to cook 1000 focus yet. It's a waste to eat that food, inefficient. If you have 500 focus the biggest you want to cook is 500 per cook. If you have 200 the biggest you want to cook is 200.

Therefore

If I got out from my plot from 8 am to 9 PM... and I spend 1000 focus on activities... then however I GET that 1000 processed doesn't matter. If I have 1000 focus I can *still* eat 5 times at 200 a pop to fill my meter. Why would I do that when I can just eat once? If I have only 200 max, then I am FORCED to eat 5 times. Lower max means more cooking of lower end recipes. You want to get more max THEN get better recipes in THAT order.

[MadDawg2552]

Originally posted by The Rinja:

Originally posted by Anutha_1:

we don't even have the ability to cook a 1000 focus meal off the bat as far as I'm aware.

No ♥♥♥♥? What does that have to do with ANYTHING?! So?!

The OP asked about early game, so saying 1000 focus food isn't early game.

To the OP: Do Dragon until you have 500 focus, then Phoenix until you have 75% bonus, then back to dragon for 750 focus.

From there, just keep them even.

Focus used is 1 to 1 to bonus XP gained. So, for example, if you do something that gives you 100 XP and your bonus is 10%, you'll gain an extra 10 XP and lose 10 focus. If you were at 100% bonus, you'd gain an extra 100 XP and lose 100 focus.

[The Rinja]

Originally posted by MadDawg2552:

Originally posted by The Rinja:

No ♥♥♥♥? What does that have to do with ANYTHING?! So?!

The OP asked about early game, so saying 1000 focus food isn't early game.

To the OP: Do Dragon until you have 500 focus, then Phoenix until you have 75% bonus, then back to dragon for 750 focus.

From there, just keep them even.

Focus used is 1 to 1 to bonus XP gained. So, for example, if you do something that gives you 100 XP and your bonus is 10%, you'll gain an extra 10 XP and lose 10 focus. If you were at 100% bonus, you'd gain an extra 100 XP and lose 100 focus.

I KNOW that 1000 focus isn't early game and I'm NOT SUGGESTING THAT WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU

We aren't even talking about op anymore. We are talking about this crazy concept that somehow having more maximum means more cooking.

False. Higher maximum means LESS cooking. I can't believe you are fighting me on that.

Me talking about maximum is so we can understand the differences?! That is how you do exploratory math? You do math based on many different versions of the numbers to understand the truth of the big picture?

[MadDawg2552]

Originally posted by The Rinja:

I KNOW that 1000 focus isn't early game and I'm NOT SUGGESTING THAT WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU

We aren't even talking about op anymore. We are talking about this crazy concept that somehow having more maximum means more cooking.

False. Higher maximum means LESS cooking. I can't believe you are fighting me on that.

You are one angry person and you need to chill. No wonder you got banned from the Discord.

[The Rinja]

Originally posted by MadDawg2552:

Originally posted by The Rinja:

I KNOW that 1000 focus isn't early game and I'm NOT SUGGESTING THAT WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU

We aren't even talking about op anymore. We are talking about this crazy concept that somehow having more maximum means more cooking.

False. Higher maximum means LESS cooking. I can't believe you are fighting me on that.

You are one angry person and you need to chill. No wonder you got banned from the Discord.

I'm angry but I'm not wrong.

[MadDawg2552]

Originally posted by The Rinja:

Originally posted by MadDawg2552:

You are one angry person and you need to chill. No wonder you got banned from the Discord.

I'm angry but I'm not wrong.

I didn't say you were wrong, I even posted how it worked exactly, so coming at me like that is uncalled for.