Fishing, RNGs and how removing agency from players is bad actually

[Douchebag]

I HATE fishing minigames in ANY game. The only mod i've used in stardew valley was to auto catch to skip fishing entirely. I've progressed in Palia enough that most what is left to do is cook and fish for the bundles. Cooking that depends on fishing, by the way. I'm about to ditch this game entirely because of the fishing NECESSITY. It's boring, dull and the RNG is totally busted. As a matter of fact i hate anything that depends on RNGs, instead of skill. It takes away agency from the player and that's absolutelly frustrating. If a fish has a 3% chance of appearing onde would think that it would show up at least once every 30 or so times. How the hell did i use 200 glowing worms and not a single of the right fish showed up? Are there any Stardew like game WITHOUT fishing?

[MadDawg2552]

I think it's more like a .03% chance.

I don't understand the need for every game that has fishing to turn it into a mini-game. Just let me cast my line, wait a few seconds, and reel in a fish. No tapping to the rhythm, no keeping the fish between the lines, no roulette (whoever thought of a roulette wheel as a fishing mini-game needs to have his head examined), no etc, etc, etc.

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Douchebag:

Are there any Stardew like game WITHOUT fishing?

If you find one, let me know.

[Roan]

I feel this. I hate fishing as well, and the way it's implemented in Palia doesn't feel fun or rewarding to participate in. If only we had a market or trading of some kind so I could have bought those bundle fish from people, or traded for the rare bugs that I have dozens of.

My Time at Sandrock has fishing but it's "sand fishing" where you have to aim and throw a trap, more akin to how bug catching / hunting work in Palia. There's still rarer "king" fish but they're not really necessary for anything.

[MastemaRose]

If you're only fishing for cooking why not just request either bass, bream whatever, and just not fish? I feel this way about hunting. Or have a friend who hoards fish and ask them to fulfill the request. That or cook together. That would also count towards the weekly btw. Also, the trophy is cool for decorating.

[DR-ZEUS]

I loath cooking in these games. Even hard core ones I've played you can survive by what you find.

[Fen]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Valimure:

If only we had a market or trading of some kind so I could have bought those bundle fish from people, or traded for the rare bugs that I have dozens of.

If they added such a system, you would be done with the game very quickly as there is no endgame to speak of. Once you've filled those bundles, and don't really care about minmaxing things, you might as well uninstall and play something with more meat.

[ziggy7sp]

A few tips on fishing:
1. If you don't start the mini-game if it is not a fish you need.
2. Canceling the cast does not use your bait (it will damage the rod and hook though)
3. You will get the same fish on each cast. If the fish is something you want you can let it hook again.
4. #3 allows you to check the bubble spots and still get a star quality fish.
5. You can add a hook to your rod while the cast is out but cannot take it off. Adding after you know what fish is on the hook will save your hook durability.
6. Wiki where and when fish spawn.
7. Very fish are hard to catch. Only the epic ones are actually hard.

[TheRectinator]

Maybe just randomize the number of times the bobber goes under before a fish is hooked; sometimes 1 bob, sometimes 5? Make it at least a little bit different each time.

[Asheera]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από MastemaRose:

If you're only fishing for cooking why not just request either bass, bream whatever, and just not fish? I feel this way about hunting. Or have a friend who hoards fish and ask them to fulfill the request. That or cook together. That would also count towards the weekly btw. Also, the trophy is cool for decorating.

You can **Only** request items that you yourself have gathered, caught, found, or crafted, yourself, at least once. This goes for all fish, gatherables, and such.

[Karaoke]

speaking of RNG I've been playing since the closed beta and still cannot obtain sushi or sashimi.

what helped me complete my fishing portion of bundles was to use the palia map app from overwolf. It's a real-time map that shows up while you play (if you launch from steam it will auto open which I think is super nice)
You can then select a fish you're looking for in the menu (like the rainbow unicorn or whatever) and then every time you cast your fishing net you have a chance at getting a different fish. The app will show you when you've caught the fish you want by displaying the fish icon on the minimap. I just kept recasting until I scored the fish I needed.

Not a fix at all but its something that made fishing tolerable for me.

[n1ghtcrwler]

The fishing is why my wife quit the game. She spent literal hours every day for about a week trying to catch the void ray, and never did. She quit in frustration the second time she was hours deep into fishing for it and watched someone else walk up and catch one on the first cast.

All I have left for the temples is the 5 epic fish, and I've been poking at trying to get them for months. I'm considering abandoning the temple quest altogether because of how infuriating it is to waste my entire day looking for a single fish.

[SourceUnknown]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Karaoke:

speaking of RNG I've been playing since the closed beta and still cannot obtain sushi or sashimi. :sad_seagull:

I got the sushi recipe at Badruus Farm pond (behind his house). I had a horrible time getting it as well but never tried fishing for it at Badruus. I got it in less than 25 casts there...I shouldve went there to begin with. Hope this helps.

[Talon]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από SourceUnknown:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Karaoke:

speaking of RNG I've been playing since the closed beta and still cannot obtain sushi or sashimi. :sad_seagull:

I got the sushi recipe at Badruus Farm pond (behind his house). I had a horrible time getting it as well but never tried fishing for it at Badruus. I got it in less than 25 casts there...I shouldve went there to begin with. Hope this helps.

The rng for the recipes is one of the things ruining my fun for it, its one of the last things I need to do but even trying everyday for an hour or two in-game each in-game day or so does not help with how much of a chore it becomes, never less the "rare" fish never appearing due to the rng luck

I loved the fishing at first but its just ruined with how it slows you down with the gatekeeping of other items/quests

[Spittz]

They make it a minigame so people can't automate it, but that in turn affects everyone negatively.

I can find bugs everywhere and in turn find rare ones often, but I'm not going to stand there for 15 seconds to catch some ~1% chance fish. Just show us the odds at least.

[MadDawg2552]

Don't forget that some fish only appear at certain times. If you're fishing at the wrong time, you'll never catch what you're looking for.

Don't spend your entire life trying to catch fish. Do your weekly 30, and if you don't get it, wait until next week. You don't need to rush to complete anything in this game.

[n1ghtcrwler]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από MadDawg2552:

Don't spend your entire life trying to catch fish. Do your weekly 30, and if you don't get it, wait until next week. You don't need to rush to complete anything in this game.

The problem isn't feeling rushed to finish. It's that the game is built around a very chill, easy-to-manage vibe, and there are tasks you can complete and actually accomplish; except one specific task, where the results are so utterly divorced from the effort you put in that it almost feels like a punishment for trying to complete it.