Lack of cosmetics for free to play players?

[Atlas]

Is it just me or does there seem to be a lack of cosmetics for free to play players?
I understand having fancy cosmetics in the paid store, but, I wish there were more to earn for free. Maybe I'm just missing something.

[reiureya]

The premium shop items are all the support that the developers ask for though. Other games make you pay for this or that at the drop of a hat. They aren't making anyone pay for anything game related in Palia, but if you want to dress up a bit, you need to help support the game. That's actually fair, from my point of view. Games like Shop Titans and so forth want 30 or 40 dollars from you for anything added, after a certain point. You have to either wait to get ascending tokens for blueprints or buy them, which is expensive.

Does it really matter whether there is freebie clothing too? Some of the starting clothing is actually nice. Even with the premium items, the coloring is limited to what was provided for that item. Pets are incentive to buy something, but there are even some items in the premium shop that cost less than 10 dollars.

Wouldn't it be worth more to have them add game play over freebie clothes?

[mana]

There have been options to earn additional cosmetics outside of the game (friend referral, twitch drops), just not at the rate they update the cosmetic shop. Some things are not free though (like pets).

(Not shilling, just pointing out that there are ways to earn some things aside from paying money. I do agree there needs to be more options for stuff you can earn in-game because game content > cash shop for me personally.)

[Moonwitch]

Originally posted by reiureya:

The premium shop items are all the support that the developers ask for though. Other games make you pay for this or that at the drop of a hat. They aren't making anyone pay for anything game related in Palia, but if you want to dress up a bit, you need to help support the game. That's actually fair, from my point of view. Games like Shop Titans and so forth want 30 or 40 dollars from you for anything added, after a certain point. You have to either wait to get ascending tokens for blueprints or buy them, which is expensive.

Does it really matter whether there is freebie clothing too? Some of the starting clothing is actually nice. Even with the premium items, the coloring is limited to what was provided for that item. Pets are incentive to buy something, but there are even some items in the premium shop that cost less than 10 dollars.

Wouldn't it be worth more to have them add game play over freebie clothes?

The best response I've seen. The premium shop is there if you want to further support the devs and grab yourself a neat outfit or tool skin. It doesn't force you to buy it nor is it shoved in your face.

[GamesAddictSim]

Originally posted by reiureya:

The premium shop items are all the support that the developers ask for though. Other games make you pay for this or that at the drop of a hat. They aren't making anyone pay for anything game related in Palia, but if you want to dress up a bit, you need to help support the game. That's actually fair, from my point of view. Games like Shop Titans and so forth want 30 or 40 dollars from you for anything added, after a certain point. You have to either wait to get ascending tokens for blueprints or buy them, which is expensive.

Does it really matter whether there is freebie clothing too? Some of the starting clothing is actually nice. Even with the premium items, the coloring is limited to what was provided for that item. Pets are incentive to buy something, but there are even some items in the premium shop that cost less than 10 dollars.

Wouldn't it be worth more to have them add game play over freebie clothes?

Completely agree and I really like how you can gain everything in the game by playing . But if you want to support the game you can make your character a little fancier. I just wish there were better looking skins . Nothing has taken my fancy yet to want to buy even though I want to cos I feel I should.

[[ARA] Panzergott]

The decisions they're making with this game is really weird. Its labeled as a F2P MMO but you never interact with people. You can see them when out in the world. Sometimes. However who really cares? Only a couple hours in and the novelty has already worn off. The only nice thing is the Request feature but even that seems kinda silly. Other people playing the game for you.

Its F2P and all cosmetics are locked behind paying money. Honestly I dont have a problem with this. However certain aspects of the game seem F2P level grindy and really dampen the enjoyment for me. So much so Im questioning on continuing to play.

Waiting MINUTES for a SINGLE wood/bar/brick to smelt. Sometimes having to wait HALF AN HOUR to return to your farm. Your tools having Durability and being forced to create repair kits to upkeep them. Just wasting more resources and time. The Focus system is good but man if aint dangerously similar looking to mobile Energy bars.

Something funky is going on behind the scenes of this game identity wise.

[Kayn]

S6 has stated there will never be cosmetics for free.

[Atlas]

Ok fair enough, you've all raised very good points. At the end of the day it is just cosmetics and actual gameplay features are added free of cost.

[Moonwitch]

Originally posted by ARA Panzergott:

The decisions they're making with this game is really weird. Its labeled as a F2P MMO but you never interact with people. You can see them when out in the world. Sometimes. However who really cares? Only a couple hours in and the novelty has already worn off. The only nice thing is the Request feature but even that seems kinda silly. Other people playing the game for you.

Its F2P and all cosmetics are locked behind paying money. Honestly I dont have a problem with this. However certain aspects of the game seem F2P level grindy and really dampen the enjoyment for me. So much so Im questioning on continuing to play.

Waiting MINUTES for a SINGLE wood/bar/brick to smelt. Sometimes having to wait HALF AN HOUR to return to your farm. Your tools having Durability and being forced to create repair kits to upkeep them. Just wasting more resources and time. The Focus system is good but man if aint dangerously similar looking to mobile Energy bars.

Something funky is going on behind the scenes of this game identity wise.

Originally posted by PopPopPopCat:

This update is 40% premium content, AGAIN. In a broken as hell game that is in BETA, a monetized beta, that is absolutely ridiculous.
It's also not some indie studio, they got funding.
Brainrot defending corporations that jack up their prices and then cry they are losing numbers and try to pander to us with this update where in reality half of the update was to the premium store.

There are now 81 premium outfits, still only 2 maps limited to 25 players, 3 animals, nothing to do but afk and tend to your garden.

This game is an empty husk for you to run around and wear pretty paid clothes.

It's okay tho, Riot just released a $500 dollar skin bundle for League, after releasing $200 skin recolors.
Rainbow Six is pay2play, has a season pass, premium store, paid dlcs and a premium membership.
OW2 now has "mythic" skins that you must buy and then buy the battlepass to earn special currency to "level up" this mythic skin you just bought. (Not even mentioning that all the skins you used to get for free are now paid only)

These companies make layers upon layers of monetization while we're struggling to buy groceries and there are still shills defending them.

This planet is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ doomed.

Oh boy, more overdramatics.
Having to wait to craft stuff or tend to your garden, this is in other games like Valheim, Minecraft, Conan Exiles, Ark, New World. There are many more games like this that use this sort of system. Palia is labeled has a F2P MMO but feels more along the lines of F2P Co-Op, sure it has some very lite mmo like elements like seeing a server full of other players and server/shout chat.

There's really nothing funky going on as you want to believe there is. If you want something funky that's being going on FOR YEARS that even poptart cat failed to mention. Star Citizen, better known as Scam Citizen. 700 million funded, 12+ years in ALPHA, no release date in sight. That's a huge tech showoff that a lot of people invested so their children's children can maybe play it when they reach their 50s.

[Maljen]

Originally posted by PopPopPopCat:

When do you think Palia will go from beta to release?

It is released. It's not 'beta' they're just using that to excuse releasing an unfinished, buggy game. And this coming from someone who plays it and enjoys the world.

And I think people would complain less about the cosmetics if there was more actual content, and the bugs got fixed. AND the cosmetics didn't cost an arm and a leg.

It doesn't help that that cosmetics are bugged as well (and pretty dang ugly in most cases). I've seen a streamer already having issues with her tool skins changing to colors she doesn't even own, randomly. And the stupid cat tails on the new outfit bug out and flicker all over the screen. Only a matter of time before they get a letter from a lawyer after that triggers a seizure in someone.

This sort of stuff is to be expected in a small team indie game, not a $50 million seed funded studio with supposed AAA devs.

[[ARA] Panzergott]

Originally posted by Moonwitch:

Originally posted by ARA Panzergott:

The decisions they're making with this game is really weird. Its labeled as a F2P MMO but you never interact with people. You can see them when out in the world. Sometimes. However who really cares? Only a couple hours in and the novelty has already worn off. The only nice thing is the Request feature but even that seems kinda silly. Other people playing the game for you.

Its F2P and all cosmetics are locked behind paying money. Honestly I dont have a problem with this. However certain aspects of the game seem F2P level grindy and really dampen the enjoyment for me. So much so Im questioning on continuing to play.

Waiting MINUTES for a SINGLE wood/bar/brick to smelt. Sometimes having to wait HALF AN HOUR to return to your farm. Your tools having Durability and being forced to create repair kits to upkeep them. Just wasting more resources and time. The Focus system is good but man if aint dangerously similar looking to mobile Energy bars.

Something funky is going on behind the scenes of this game identity wise.

Originally posted by PopPopPopCat:

This update is 40% premium content, AGAIN. In a broken as hell game that is in BETA, a monetized beta, that is absolutely ridiculous.
It's also not some indie studio, they got funding.
Brainrot defending corporations that jack up their prices and then cry they are losing numbers and try to pander to us with this update where in reality half of the update was to the premium store.

There are now 81 premium outfits, still only 2 maps limited to 25 players, 3 animals, nothing to do but afk and tend to your garden.

This game is an empty husk for you to run around and wear pretty paid clothes.

It's okay tho, Riot just released a $500 dollar skin bundle for League, after releasing $200 skin recolors.
Rainbow Six is pay2play, has a season pass, premium store, paid dlcs and a premium membership.
OW2 now has "mythic" skins that you must buy and then buy the battlepass to earn special currency to "level up" this mythic skin you just bought. (Not even mentioning that all the skins you used to get for free are now paid only)

These companies make layers upon layers of monetization while we're struggling to buy groceries and there are still shills defending them.

This planet is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ doomed.

Oh boy, more overdramatics.
Having to wait to craft stuff or tend to your garden, this is in other games like Valheim, Minecraft, Conan Exiles, Ark, New World. There are many more games like this that use this sort of system. Palia is labeled has a F2P MMO but feels more along the lines of F2P Co-Op, sure it has some very lite mmo like elements like seeing a server full of other players and server/shout chat.

There's really nothing funky going on as you want to believe there is. If you want something funky that's being going on FOR YEARS that even poptart cat failed to mention. Star Citizen, better known as Scam Citizen. 700 million funded, 12+ years in ALPHA, no release date in sight. That's a huge tech showoff that a lot of people invested so their children's children can maybe play it when they reach their 50s.

Lmao what an outlandish random comparison to Scam Citizen.

In Valheim charcoal takes 16 seconds per to craft. Ores 30 seconds per to smelt. Give it the ol x2 on charcoal for roughly 1 minute per Bar in Valheim. The most basic of bars is 3 minutes in Palia. Thats 3x the time for a single bar. This adds up quite quickly.

Then you need to consider the other obtuse mechanics. Like having to pay gold to be allowed more crafting stations. With a hard cap of 30. Having to spend MORE resources to upkeep your items with Repair Kits. Then of course a game like Valheim allowing you to sleep and essentially instantly craft everything in queue.

The games fun. Great even. However theres alot of ways they just waste your time. Even worse then one of the most grindy Survival games on the market. Valheim. This is coming from someone who litterally just started replaying it weeks before Palia's release.

[Moonwitch]

Originally posted by PopPopPopCat:

Originally posted by Maljen:

It is released. It's not 'beta' they're just using that to excuse releasing an unfinished, buggy game. And this coming from someone who plays it and enjoys the world.

And I think people would complain less about the cosmetics if there was more actual content, and the bugs got fixed. AND the cosmetics didn't cost an arm and a leg.

It doesn't help that that cosmetics are bugged as well (and pretty dang ugly in most cases). I've seen a streamer already having issues with her tool skins changing to colors she doesn't even own, randomly. And the stupid cat tails on the new outfit bug out and flicker all over the screen. Only a matter of time before they get a letter from a lawyer after that triggers a seizure in someone.

This sort of stuff is to be expected in a small team indie game, not a $50 million seed funded studio with supposed AAA devs.

I should've given out my tone, I was being completely sarcastic because they brought up how there are "worse" scams like star citizen so I wonder if Palia will ever leave beta lol.

You trying to argue in bad faith with being completely sarcastic is very debatable. But you know the answer to that question just like everyone else. We don't know. It could be in beta for another year, or two years, or perhaps never fully releasing. We just do not know, but I digress.

Anyway to further answer your previous comment about the other games like League and their $200-$500 skins. LOL just don't buy it, or do. How someone else spends their money is no concern of mine. Yes R6 Siege is pay to play, what game isn't these days besides f2p games? R6 Siege has completely lost its identity with switching from a good tactical fps to the generic hero shooter with as you said, a season pass, a battle pass, a shop, and now this premium membership. But don't worry the new operation will be a AAAA operation. :) And what was the other game you mentioned? OW 2.0? How's that PvE game mode going that they said they would do?

It's very disingenuous that you compare these types of games with a game like Palia, when the only real controversial issue is the slightly pricey OPTIONAL premium shop. But reading your past comments have been rather entertaining since you said you don't even play the game anymore, so why does your opinions for something like this matter?

[Moonwitch]

Originally posted by ARA Panzergott:

Originally posted by Moonwitch:

Oh boy, more overdramatics.
Having to wait to craft stuff or tend to your garden, this is in other games like Valheim, Minecraft, Conan Exiles, Ark, New World. There are many more games like this that use this sort of system. Palia is labeled has a F2P MMO but feels more along the lines of F2P Co-Op, sure it has some very lite mmo like elements like seeing a server full of other players and server/shout chat.

There's really nothing funky going on as you want to believe there is. If you want something funky that's being going on FOR YEARS that even poptart cat failed to mention. Star Citizen, better known as Scam Citizen. 700 million funded, 12+ years in ALPHA, no release date in sight. That's a huge tech showoff that a lot of people invested so their children's children can maybe play it when they reach their 50s.

Lmao what an outlandish random comparison to Scam Citizen.

In Valheim charcoal takes 16 seconds per to craft. Ores 30 seconds per to smelt. Give it the ol x2 on charcoal for roughly 1 minute per Bar in Valheim. The most basic of bars is 3 minutes in Palia. Thats 3x the time for a single bar. This adds up quite quickly.

Then you need to consider the other obtuse mechanics. Like having to pay gold to be allowed more crafting stations. With a hard cap of 30. Having to spend MORE resources to upkeep your items with Repair Kits. Then of course a game like Valheim allowing you to sleep and essentially instantly craft everything in queue.

The games fun. Great even. However theres alot of ways they just waste your time. Even worse then one of the most grindy Survival games on the market. Valheim. This is coming from someone who litterally just started replaying it weeks before Palia's release.

Well there you go, you've found your answer as to why these systems are implemented. Imagine being able to do all of that instantly the moment that system or feature is release. Yeah, it would be boring real quick. X game releases update to instantly gratify players with zero effort, player retention at an all time low. Studio shuttered, massive layoffs! Hmmmm.

[chapais]

to be fair, this game is great when it comes to selling. compare to other game pushing adds on you all the time, Ive bought stuff twice to support them not because they asked, the game is real good and honestly free. seriously what more do one could expect.. I believe that they put a huge amount of time and effort into this game and really if they (maybe making more cloth for men.. lol ) sale stuff to support the game not pay to win they have my full support and will continue purchasing stuff from time to time.

[Kayn]

Originally posted by chapais:

to be fair, this game is great when it comes to selling. compare to other game pushing adds on you all the time, Ive bought stuff twice to support them not because they asked, the game is real good and honestly free. seriously what more do one could expect.. I believe that they put a huge amount of time and effort into this game and really if they (maybe making more cloth for men.. lol ) sale stuff to support the game not pay to win they have my full support and will continue purchasing stuff from time to time.

Is a business but you're talking about them like they're a charity lol

[Romu]

Wait, for real? You don't even get the glider for free? Have to wear the same track suit the whole game too? WAY TOO LITTLE INCENTIVE.