Palia
Mongoose Dec 20, 2023 @ 7:29pm
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Call to Action to Palia Devs - Lack of Accessibility and Seizure Risk
This game has two accessibility features. One is broken, and the other is a reticule to reduce motion sickness that, according to the accessibility discussions in the discord, doesn't help.

Palia is being released to Switch and Steam without adding basic accessibility features like toggling off flashing during tool use, the ability to adjust lighting, adjusting font size, toggles for actions that require holding buttons for a long time, and having subtitles for all spoken words. There's more requests too, these are just off the top of my head.

Palia has been in open beta for several months now with new content and events released during it that disabled players couldn't attend and give feedback to because the game gives us physical pain and the potential for death to those who get seizures. We've given feedback after feedback begging for accessibility features, many of which would be easy to implement, easier than the events we've been locked out of, easier than the never-ending list of cosmetic "micro"transactions being released, and easier than the Temple of Gales and the broken promise to not have content locked behind something not everyone can do.

I used to recommend this game to my friends and now it's embarrassing to go back and say, actually screw this game, it's been this long and they've taken none of our feedback and even deleted the discord channel we used to give it? They are in BETA. They need this feedback. How is Palia even allowed to release their game on more platforms without basic accessibility? Clearly there's people at work on this game with how much content is being pushed out, so put them to work on accessibility.
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softiedragoncloud Jan 13, 2024 @ 3:04pm 
it hurts his fragile little ego lol. istg everytime someone asks for accessability or smth, they get labeled entitled by those that are able bodied and never had to struggle in their lives with their health. your gonna end up in the same boat when you get old and grey, so theyll be biting their words then.
Mongoose Jan 14, 2024 @ 1:01am 
Originally posted by MadDawg2552:
Let me try to make it simpler...

Video games have been known to cause seizures since the 1980's. If you ignore the warning that video games cause seizures, you are taking your own risk.

If you don't want a seizure, don't play video games. Can't be simpler than that, but watch more people try to argue it.

Your ableism isn't welcome here. But thanks for the free bumping of this post back into relevancy. Believe it or not, disabled players are also people, and we should be able to have fun and play games with friends too, not just willfully ignorant and rude players like you.
softiedragoncloud Jan 14, 2024 @ 1:10am 
Originally posted by MadDawg2552:
Let me try to make it simpler...

Video games have been known to cause seizures since the 1980's. If you ignore the warning that video games cause seizures, you are taking your own risk.

If you don't want a seizure, don't play video games. Can't be simpler than that, but watch more people try to argue it.

but damn, people prone to seziures and other medical conditions cant find enjoyment in a video game that is safe for them tho, huh? disabled people shouldn't try to have fun at all because of the way we are then? if your going to keep going on like this then please dont keep commenting on the post and shut up. your just digging a bigger hole for yourself more and more you post and ignore what we say every single time. if your trolling then maybe dont
Fizzgig Jan 14, 2024 @ 2:42am 
Originally posted by MadDawg2552:
Let me try to make it simpler...

Video games have been known to cause seizures since the 1980's. If you ignore the warning that video games cause seizures, you are taking your own risk.

If you don't want a seizure, don't play video games. Can't be simpler than that, but watch more people try to argue it.

Right, so people with allergies should never eat out at a restaurant? People with epilepsy should never watch movies or play games? People who have difficulty walking should spend the rest of their life in a chair or bed? People with a light sensitivity should keep their eyes closed at all times? People with communication difficulties should never try to communicate?

You're basically saying, that people with difficulties should just give up. Like others have said though, there are OPTIONAL things that can be included in a game to make it playable for people with difficulties. Options that you can completely ignore if you want to, it wont make any difference to you at all. But, it will allow soooo many other people to be able to play the game. Why is this such an issue for you?
löyly Jan 14, 2024 @ 4:18am 
Imagine having the choice between being an a**hole and not being an a**hole, and you choose to be an a**hole.
Fizzgig Jan 14, 2024 @ 7:09am 
Originally posted by MadDawg2552:
Why do you feel like I should respond to every single point you are making? If I agree with something, I will ignore it and only reply to what I want. You people have the entitlement here, and need some kind of acknowledgement or something.

"He didn't reply to my lighting adjust point! Waaahh! He doesn't care about me! Waaahh!"

You people need to get a life.

I think everyone here does have a life, and they're using it to try and improve it for themselves and other people. Don't see anything wrong with that. I don't think people here are looking for acknowledgement from you either, everyone is just fed up of you not understanding what people here are asking for.

The whole peanuts in a restaurant example was so far off the mark, that people are trying to figure out why you don't understand.
Fizzgig Jan 14, 2024 @ 9:08am 
No, what people are asking for is an understanding. Let me try to explain it to you. You are saying that your comment:

Originally posted by MadDawg2552:
No, it's more like asking the entire restaurant to toss out any peanuts on the premises, then scrub down every surface.

Is a reply to the request for options to help reduce seizures:

Originally posted by Mongoose:
Palia is being released to Switch and Steam without adding basic accessibility features like toggling off flashing during tool use, the ability to adjust lighting, adjusting font size, toggles for actions that require holding buttons for a long time, and having subtitles for all spoken words.

We've given feedback after feedback begging for accessibility features, many of which would be easy to implement.

What is being asked for are options to turn off flashing lights, which cause seizures. I don't know if you know this, but some people who suffer seizures, can actually play games if given the option to turn off flashing lights, or adjust light brightness.

What your comment was implying is that people are asking for the game to be changed for everyone, for flashing lights and light brightness to be reduced for everyone. But that is not the case, what people are asking for, is the OPTION to turn that off. So that people who suffer seizures can turn it off and play. People that don't suffer seizures, can leave it on, and play. This is what people are getting annoyed about.
softiedragoncloud Jan 14, 2024 @ 9:22am 
Originally posted by MadDawg2552:
Why do you feel like I should respond to every single point you are making? If I agree with something, I will ignore it and only reply to what I want. You people have the entitlement here, and need some kind of acknowledgement or something.

"He didn't reply to my lighting adjust point! Waaahh! He doesn't care about me! Waaahh!"

You people need to get a life.
"i will ignore it"
im giggling at how much you keep digging a bigger hole for urself. your entitlement is showing because this has been an issue since closed and open beta started. again, if your going to keep going in a circle and keep making yourself look stupid, you should just stop entirely right now before it gets even worse.
Winderine Jan 15, 2024 @ 12:20pm 
Originally posted by MadDawg2552:
Originally posted by lady_angel2k:
Why not try to actually discuss what it is you are so opposed to in the idea of optional accessibility tools?
I'm not opposed to anything. It's all in your imagination.


Quick question... if you only respond to things you agree with, then why are you in this thread at all? You've said nothing that agrees with anything here.
Sharky857 Jan 15, 2024 @ 12:21pm 
Originally posted by MadDawg2552:
Originally posted by lady_angel2k:
Why not try to actually discuss what it is you are so opposed to in the idea of optional accessibility tools?
I'm not opposed to anything. It's all in your imagination.

"I'm not opposed to anything. It's all in your imagination" said the gaslighting guy who started all this by making this kind of comparison, as if asking for anything accessibility-related is more of a bad thing than good: https://steamcommunity.com/app/2707930/discussions/0/4042608198325182537/#c6208841617677398899
Winderine Jan 15, 2024 @ 12:54pm 
Anyway, I'm here to agree with OP and others who have made points about lack of accessibility, lack of options concerning visuals and brightness, lack of controller support, etc. My personal biggest gripe about options at the moment after the Temple of Gales is that anti-aliasing cannot be turned off, which is apparently the cause for the weird flickering after-image thing you get when you character is rendered directly against the skybox. I also get migraines, which although might be potentially connected to microseizures in the brain, are not always so, and are not generally something you need to worry about when playing most video games, especially ones that are in the cozy genre like Animal Crossing and Stardew Valley.

Genre-compatibility is a large part of what determines what to expect from a game. For instance, I would say that because a game like Dead By Daylight needs a warning for graphic violence and photosensitivity (seizures/migraines) during play, therefore trailers for the game should not even be played with content that isn't of a similar genre, such as mainline Pokemon Let's Plays, Hokko Life, PotionCraft, etc. Similarly, a game whose developers claim an intent to be cozy and relaxing should not require leaps of faith and parkour to complete what seems to be a main story event. By expanding the game mechanics of the Tower to main story questline, I can only think that they're attempting to retain the attention span of the "play until i win" crowd rather than the "play because it's cozy" crowd; which is, I suppose, a valid choice for any game outside the cozy genre.

Cozy genre games are at the forefront of the discussion about accessibility in video games because cozy games are the ones that are most accessible to neurodivergent players. I know very few autistic people who enjoy Call of Duty, Valorant, or Fortnite, for instance, and although rhythm platforming is one of the most soothing ways to play a platformer (unless you have time blindness from something like ADHD), having the entire screen flash and invert colors like Geometry Dash causes quick overstimulation even when watching other people play. But nearly everyone *can* play games like Animal Crossing and most gamemodes of Minecraft - there's even a Minecraft server especially for Blind and Low Vision players, which is something I wasn't quite expecting.

Anyone can come across as entitled, especially when the question of accessibility is phrased as "You need to add this so I can play" instead of "You probably should add this so X number of people can play" but for most of those of us who are disabled, we know that we are the vocal minority... Most disabled people are too tired to bother requesting for accessibility in an optional stress reliever because of how the fight for accessibility in the workplace and public areas like grocery stores is neverending...

And it really is frustrating to have to continually say, "Can you please please please please please include me among the people you design games for?" Constantly begging and licking peoples shoes doesn't get you as far as acting like a Karen, after all. There's a reason entitled behavior continues - it's the most consistently successful approach.

Anyway, basically what I'm saying here is, although they marketed as a cozy game, and there's no PVE or PVP, I'm not sure their heart is really into making a cozy, accessible MMO, and I wouldn't be surprised to see further expansions of the game become even less friendly to their original market audience.
Last edited by Winderine; Jan 15, 2024 @ 1:01pm
Winderine Jan 15, 2024 @ 1:55pm 
Originally posted by MadDawg:
I said I DON'T respond to things I agree with.

This just proves you don't read what I say and just make up stuff in your own imagination.

I mean, you're right, i was just skimming because I didn't come to this thread to read spam, but go off with your personal attacks i guess.

Originally posted by MadDawg2552:

Play video games = die from seizure.
Eat peanuts = die from allergy.

Don't want to die? Don't play video games.
Don't want to die? Don't eat peanuts.

Okay, so the thing you are ... acting like ... you don't know then is how seizures work and the consequences of them. So. Quick primer: everyone reacts differently. Some people get migraines from flashing lights. Some people get annoying tic in their eyebrow. Very few people go into convulsions, and no, most of them do not die from convulsions. Those people also do not typically play video games, which sucks because video games are fun and everyone should be able to enjoy them.

You are FULLY CORRECT that it is something of an accurate comparison to allergies; some people can eat peanut butter and have only a stomachache, and other people's eyes swell shut if they walk too close to fresh peanut butter cookies. Luckily, most people will not die from peanut exposure, those who might do typically carry an epi-pen and have 911 on quickdial, AND most restaurants have things other than peanut food on the menu; as well as the capability and willingness to prepare a meal with extra care to avoid contamination.

The reason restaurants do this is that it increases the amount of people who can come buy food from their facility. It increases their profit. You're right, it's a good comparison. There are things that the video game companies could be doing to make their games more accessible to potential patrons.
Bruje Butch Jan 15, 2024 @ 2:12pm 
I'm also VERY disappointed in the game's lack of accessibility. I find it a shame for a game that promised so much, this just goes against the values it pretends to have. There's plenty of useful feedback offered by the players on the Discord, too.

There should be UI scaling options no matter what device is used to play at the very least!
Fizzgig Jan 16, 2024 @ 1:26am 
Originally posted by Winderine:

Okay, so the thing you are ... acting like ... you don't know then is how seizures work and the consequences of them. So. Quick primer: everyone reacts differently.

I've given up interacting with them, they don't listen every time someone tries to explain things, they are set in their views, and obviously won't change them. They must be one of those lucky people with no medical issues, can make them very ignorant.
Sharky857 Jan 16, 2024 @ 1:45am 
Originally posted by MadDawg2552:
Originally posted by Sharky857:

"I'm not opposed to anything. It's all in your imagination" said the gaslighting guy who started all this by making this kind of comparison, as if asking for anything accessibility-related is more of a bad thing than good: https://steamcommunity.com/app/2707930/discussions/0/4042608198325182537/#c6208841617677398899
Tell me you don't know how comparisons work without telling me you don't know how they work.

Play video games = die from seizure.
Eat peanuts = die from allergy.

Don't want to die? Don't play video games.
Don't want to die? Don't eat peanuts.

See how it works? Here's another one:

Expecting someone to learn something on the Internet is like expecting the government to give you $1,000,000.
Tell me you don't know how accessibility tools work without telling me you don't know how accessibility tools work.

To each their own ignorance. 😂
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Date Posted: Dec 20, 2023 @ 7:29pm
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