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No need for the hostility, just sharing my opinion. I honestly would rather have the option and not need to use it, then need to use it and not have it. But go right ahead an assume im a D-bag because of that.
I can see why you get kick out by other players.
Respectfully I agree with some of what you said, and disagree with the rest.
I dont even argue that i am not saying "Hey come into the game", when i do leave it public. Because thats what im looking for, to play the game with others i havent meet. But when someone comes in and they are acting in a way that is not so friendly, i want to have the option to kick them from my game.
If you so chose to allow players that are less then friendly play with you, hey thats your choice, and more power to you. But i dont choise that, i dont want to have my game play exp, my time of entertainment to be ruined because of such people.
But to imply, at least it seems that way to me, that because of us players that dont want to deal with such people, we shouldent leave our games open to play with new players, or like the OP would have it, we shouldent have that option at all. Its just foolish.
I havent as of yet had to kick anyone out of my game. I have came made some new friends, played with some really level headed and friendly people, even learned a few new tricks here and there from players who will more then willing to let me play in their games.
I find when im on that players tend to be nice.
The problem isn't people like you, it is the people who kick/ban because they can, not because they have a valid reason for doing it.
It happens in most games. Payday 2 is especially bad for it and it is really frustrating to join a game and be kicked before you have done or said anything. Having your game open IS an unspoken invitation, it isn't reasonable to expect people to know that you don't want random people joining if you have an open game.
Don't get me wrong, I am not advocating the removal of the feature, but I think I understand where the original post is coming from. Just to be clear, I think there is a problem, but I don't think removal of the ban feature is the solution.
The question begs to be asked. Why play with a player, who would kick a player instantly when joining there game? I for would not play with them. Heck saves me the time of leaving their game.
If a player is going to be like that, i dont want to play with them none the less. Its a classless move, most likely if they didnt have that option and i was in a game with them, they would be the type of player i wouldent want to play with, making other classless acts while playing with me.
"Having your game open IS an unspoken invitation, it isn't reasonable to expect people to know that you don't want random people joining if you have an open game."
Like i said in my last post, dont disagree with this, i agree with it. Its the whole reason why I, Myself, leave games open. I want to enjoy the company of other players while playing the game.
"It happens in most games." Damn right. That same player that kicks another player out instantly from his/her game, is the same player that comes into games and trolls about. Guess what, happens in every game. They're always "That guy", type of player out there. lol
If anything having the Kick/ban option, is a solution to both instances. Keep them out of your games, and they keep you out of their own.
OP btw is right. You already have every power as a host, if you turn the option to "everyone free to come" then its your own fault. Or at least you have to consider that d-bags come into. If you dont want that, dont open it for everyone.
Or if you want to keep all the power, then there has to be a balance. In the example of Payday2 i think it should be that persons getting kicked get a part of the exp and the money of the match even while they didnt accomplish it. But maybe thats problematic aswell.
Its the internet, expect people to be a-holes, if you dont want them, dont play public.
Did you just imply its the host players fault, when another player acts like a child? Wow....Talking about excusing someone from there own personal actions.
Oh on the same note works both ways....
If a player act's like an A-Hole in my game, that player can expect to be kick.
I experienced that Hosts abuse their power, because its easy to do so. I personally prefer the way other games do it with many players and thats votekick. Problem is, that doesnt work for every game.But a simple "kick everyone without a reason" button in many games just destroys the experience for others. If you dont want others to join your game, make it private. I never said YOU are responsible for others actions, but you are responsible for your own bad choice.
I had so many situations where people opened open lobbies and just kicked players after they joined. Why? There is simply no reason. In the end it comes down that they were too dumb to set their game for friends only and while they invited them in an OPEN lobby, others joined and too kaway the place. I know that, because i asked them. For coop games its mostly very easy in my eyes to get a good way to manage it and thats having dedicated servers and a votekick option. I see that you want the whole power over YOUR game when you host. But it simply just unleashes problems for other players because Hosts abuse the system for their benefit and their likes. Just because YOU wouldnt do that, doesnt mean that your position is the majority. As many games show, people like you and i are not the majority.
And back to the beginning, there is no right solution for this for every side. Its either good for you, or good for us. You have your position, i have mine. You can try to blame others for their opinion, that just doesnt make you a good person.
Btw whether a person is acting like an A-hole or not is bound to interpretation and so can be misjudging most of the time, because you know misunderstanding on the internet is so easy.
Kinda just skimmed over alot of the rant there, no offense but its hard to follow, and you really lost me at the begining with "neutral problem", then capping random words for...Well dont know your reason, but ok. It honestly came off as one contradiction over another.
A rambling of ,you must play like this, because i dont like this.
Anyways, yeah i revert to my first post to you. Its that simple. You assume so much, and on points of the topic, that ive already addressed and stated my opinion to such.
"If you dont want others to join your game, make it private." I already addressed this twice. Lets play devils advocate here, even though i dont agree with what you said or what im about to say.
Why can you, if not wanting to be kicked out, not join another players game? Play your own game, and let players join you, why not?
Its rhetorical questions, it needs no answer. Cause i do not agree with those questions, or you statement to me the is oppsite of what i said. Play how you want to play, but when you join another game, you are a guest of that player, they are the host.
Both of those are nothing more the a dictation of policy, sort of speak, that nethier you nor me should even make. Going that route, saying it like that, heck even saying it at all leads to a midset of,"Who the hell do you think you are?"
Im sure the Devs are not gonna take this feature down. At the very least i believe i made a sound, reasonable and logical arguement, that doesnt suggest or imply force over other players into single aspect of a game play.
At this point, I agree to disagree. Cause thats all i see this debate going towards before it gets unhealthly and more along the lines of a flame/troll, then a civil respectable debate. Take care folks.
There was nothing philosophical about my post. If you don't want a random in your game, don't make it public. That's easy enough.
I don't think you understand the problem. People are getting kicked before they can even type hello. This is flagrant abuse of the kick/ban feature.
I don't want to hear crap about just joining another game either. The game just isn't popular enough. Get kicked from 2 games and there isn't another to join.
I will assume you are a d bag and yes you are.
Leading me to the question of why you even reply to comments you skip or even try to contribute to a discussion you dont even follow in its content. You may answer that. Not for me or others, maybe more for yourself.