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Dexter 2024 年 9 月 29 日 上午 1:50
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Creator of Dragon Quest Yuji Horii comments on Costume Censorship and Other Changes at TGS2024 Interview
Someone translated the relevant bits into English on Twitter: https://x.com/saou0345/status/1840243748007219257

Compliance and regulations/pressure from the West come up, America especially is mentioned as "really narrow-minded".

"Doing business with such a ridiculous country is really frustrating." adds Former Shonen Jump Editor-in-Chief Kazuhiko Torishima, who was in charge of Dragon Ball.

The clip ends with Horii stating:
"In Dragon Quest, you used to be able to choose between a male and female main character. But now, you can't choose between a man and a woman anymore. We have to label them as Type 1 and Type 2. I really wonder, who's even complaining about this?"

Couldn't agree more, he seems to be as frustrated about having to change his work as fans are about having it changed, but someone/something(?) seems to be forcing his hand.

The Original interview was over 6 hours long and Streamed yesterday, with the relevant bit being 6 hours and 12 minutes into it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvdqTo3V6no
最后由 Dexter 编辑于; 2024 年 9 月 29 日 上午 2:04
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Siroldas 2024 年 9 月 29 日 下午 5:48 
引用自 duckfist
引用自 Gamerdude535

Oh boo ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hoo it's a peak remake that's barely more censored than any other version of the game. If you care about this franchise you'd be supporting the game so we won't get ♥♥♥♥♥♥ out of getting future games outside of Japan.

It's bad enough we never got Dragon Quest X and numerous spin offs including the 3DS remakes of Dragon Quest Monsters 1 and 2.

Hell if it weren't for Nintendo doing the publishing we would have never got the 3DS versions of Dragon Quest VII and VIII.

I do care about the franchise, but you're going to gatekeep that and say that if I care I have to buy it? So, if you don't like something, you need to just keep your mouth shut and buy it anyways? I really don't understand this logic, sounds like you're just lashing out at me with no actual argument.

I don't care about DQX or monsters or 3DS versions or whatever, I didn't buy those because I don't like handheld games.

IDK why it's so hard for them to comprehend this, I mentioned this before but going by DQ11 sales, it literally sold 6.5 Million and 5.3 Million of those were from Japan, That's 81.5% which is insane and it seems that Japanese players really hate the changes as well, no way they would've brought this up at TGS if they weren't making a fuss about it over there.

18.5% Is pretty much the rest of the world and I'm almost sure if giving the choice to every single player out there the Majority for sure will choose M/F instead of A/B. Anyways in the future this will change, I truly believe that and it's good.
Lucas the Thief 2024 年 9 月 29 日 下午 5:48 
引用自 Karosu-Maker
引用自 Lucas the Thief
They don't even play the game. They're just following the anti-everything youtube farm rage crowd.

Stop the gaslighting. People is sick of their favorite intellectual properties going to ♥♥♥♥ due to a couple of idiots' agendas. When they put it in their own games, I don't care, and you know what? They fail, like Concord and Dustborn. So they need to come and infect actually successful series with an already stablished fanbase, alienating them and telling them they're in the wrong. F*ck off.

The people who don't care about censorship are the ones who actually never cared for the series to begin with.
Ooh we got a Concord mention! Take a drink everyone!
Melodia 2024 年 9 月 29 日 下午 5:57 
引用自 Siroldas

And you who don't even have the game and just talking to others in a pretty ♥♥♥♥♥♥ manner, please be respectful to others or just don't comment at all, especially since you didn't even buy the game.

Why are people so obsessed with someone owning the game before it even is released? Especially when you have a sect of people in the "never pre-order" crew will insult you for daring to so. But beyond that, not everyone buys games at release time -- I usually don't. Sales exist and many of us are patient enough to wait.
Not that it even matters here, considering I did, in fact, buy the game. And yes I'm aware there's no mouse by my name, because GMG doesn't supply keys until the game is out.

But what's funny about it is that anyone bothered to make a petition in the first place. I've been online for probably 28 years and maybe ever seen all of two petetions that actually were succesful. Even back in the late 90s online petitions were a big joke.
最后由 Melodia 编辑于; 2024 年 9 月 29 日 下午 6:01
Siroldas 2024 年 9 月 29 日 下午 6:02 
引用自 Melodia
引用自 Siroldas

And you who don't even have the game and just talking to others in a pretty ♥♥♥♥♥♥ manner, please be respectful to others or just don't comment at all, especially since you didn't even buy the game.

Why are people so obsessed with someone owning the game before it even is released? Especially when you have a sect of people in the "never pre-order" crew will insult you for daring to so. But beyond that, not everyone buys games at release time -- I usually don't. Sales exist and many of us are patient enough to wait.
Not that it even matters here, considering I did, in fact, buy the game. And yes I'm aware there's no mouse by my name, because GMG doesn't supply keys until the game is out.

Correct, I agree to that if I was honest since you don't know how the game even runs till it's out and seen few benchmarks or trying it out yourself so I'll give you that.

Everything else mentioned in that posts still stands though.
Karosu-Maker 2024 年 9 月 29 日 下午 6:04 
引用自 Lucas the Thief
引用自 Karosu-Maker

Stop the gaslighting. People is sick of their favorite intellectual properties going to ♥♥♥♥ due to a couple of idiots' agendas. When they put it in their own games, I don't care, and you know what? They fail, like Concord and Dustborn. So they need to come and infect actually successful series with an already stablished fanbase, alienating them and telling them they're in the wrong. F*ck off.

The people who don't care about censorship are the ones who actually never cared for the series to begin with.
Ooh we got a Concord mention! Take a drink everyone!

As if it's not a valid point. People will keep using it because it's relevant to the subject, and trying to use shame to silence others is pathetic.
Lucas the Thief 2024 年 9 月 29 日 下午 6:09 
引用自 Karosu-Maker
引用自 Lucas the Thief
Ooh we got a Concord mention! Take a drink everyone!

As if it's not a valid point. People will keep using it because it's relevant to the subject, and trying to use shame to silence others is pathetic.
Not really. It's just them reaching. Concord failed for numerous reasons which I will now list

1. 40 dollar hero shooter in a genre over saturated in them
2. 8 years development time
3. Sony can't make games anymore
4. Outdated programming/game mechanics
5. Maps were difficult and not fun at all.
Siroldas 2024 年 9 月 29 日 下午 6:10 
引用自 Karosu-Maker
引用自 Lucas the Thief
Ooh we got a Concord mention! Take a drink everyone!

As if it's not a valid point. People will keep using it because it's relevant to the subject, and trying to use shame to silence others is pathetic.

Exactly

Concord is actually a very good and valid point to bring up, I'll add to that a couple of games that I wanted to buy but I literally won't be buying them due to the woke virus

Assassin creed shadows, true shame as I really wanted a proper assassin creed game that takes place in Japan
Fable, just of the MC if I was honest so far
GOW R, Honestly can't believe that I didn't buy it by now and I have the platinum in every single GOW game on PS including top 10 world record in one Ascension
Spiderman games, a shame since I'm a big fan of Spiderman.

You get the point.
REBirthTheEdge 2024 年 9 月 29 日 下午 7:02 
I hate that they are just being vague about this.

Who tells them the changes are needed? And what institutions require the changes?
Balmungofsky 2024 年 9 月 29 日 下午 7:21 
Sadly they're trying to aim for an E 10+ rating rather than the T for Teen rating the old DQ 3 had. I really don't think the e 10+ rating is going to expend the buyer base that much considering this is a traditional rpg with pixel style graphics.
Some Rando 2024 年 9 月 29 日 下午 7:25 
引用自 Balmungofsky
Sadly they're trying to aim for an E 10+ rating rather than the T for Teen rating the old DQ 3 had. I really don't think the e 10+ rating is going to expend the buyer base that much considering this is a traditional rpg with pixel style graphics.
The way I see it, four things were censored. Cross is old and the clothes are easily explained. The Lips have a complicated history, possibly related to a protest of Black characters in Dr. Slump.

The last of which is the most puzzling. I mean, I don't think ESRB or CERO would demand the removal of the word male and female. Which brings this into question:

引用自 REBirthTheEdge
I hate that they are just being vague about this.

Who tells them the changes are needed? And what institutions require the changes?
Karosu-Maker 2024 年 9 月 29 日 下午 7:31 
引用自 Lucas the Thief
引用自 Karosu-Maker

As if it's not a valid point. People will keep using it because it's relevant to the subject, and trying to use shame to silence others is pathetic.
Not really. It's just them reaching. Concord failed for numerous reasons which I will now list

1. 40 dollar hero shooter in a genre over saturated in them
2. 8 years development time
3. Sony can't make games anymore
4. Outdated programming/game mechanics
5. Maps were difficult and not fun at all.

Yeah, and people finding their DEI inspired designs from boring and lame to downright disgusting had nothing to do with it? It's not that people didn't buy it because they thought "It has DEI, so i don't buy", it's more like "This looks hideous" even if they don't know all those terrible decissions came from SJW, Woke, DEI ideoligies, same stuff, different name. You don't need to know the name of the desease to feel sick by it's symptoms.

Now, applying this filth to already stablished worlds, created by actual creative and talented people is way worse.

That's why people won't stay slient and let people like you keep steping over what true artists created decades ago.
Lucas the Thief 2024 年 9 月 29 日 下午 7:39 
引用自 Karosu-Maker
引用自 Lucas the Thief
Not really. It's just them reaching. Concord failed for numerous reasons which I will now list

1. 40 dollar hero shooter in a genre over saturated in them
2. 8 years development time
3. Sony can't make games anymore
4. Outdated programming/game mechanics
5. Maps were difficult and not fun at all.

Yeah, and people finding their DEI inspired designs from boring and lame to downright disgusting had nothing to do with it? It's not that people didn't buy it because they thought "It has DEI, so i don't buy", it's more like "This looks hideous" even if they don't know all those terrible decissions came from SJW, Woke, DEI ideoligies, same stuff, different name. You don't need to know the name of the desease to feel sick by it's symptoms.

Now, applying this filth to already stablished worlds, created by actual creative and talented people is way worse.

That's why people won't stay slient and let people like you keep steping over what true artists created decades ago.
Dude I been playing for over 30 years. I grew up in the age of god awful pixels, polygons and ♥♥♥♥♥♥ graphics. I have seen numerous ugly af characters and artwork and I've seen plenty of generic af characters you don't give two dams about after playing the game for half an hour. If having a fat woman in a shooting game offends you so much that you actively wish for a game to fail then there is something else wrong there. Ugly character designs are one things, hell Fable and Sims have had some god awful ugly ones, but you're more likely to turn people off of games if they are just not fun to play and are generic to everything else out on the market.
Karosu-Maker 2024 年 9 月 29 日 下午 8:22 
引用自 Lucas the Thief
引用自 Karosu-Maker

Yeah, and people finding their DEI inspired designs from boring and lame to downright disgusting had nothing to do with it? It's not that people didn't buy it because they thought "It has DEI, so i don't buy", it's more like "This looks hideous" even if they don't know all those terrible decissions came from SJW, Woke, DEI ideoligies, same stuff, different name. You don't need to know the name of the desease to feel sick by it's symptoms.

Now, applying this filth to already stablished worlds, created by actual creative and talented people is way worse.

That's why people won't stay slient and let people like you keep steping over what true artists created decades ago.
Dude I been playing for over 30 years. I grew up in the age of god awful pixels, polygons and ♥♥♥♥♥♥ graphics. I have seen numerous ugly af characters and artwork and I've seen plenty of generic af characters you don't give two dams about after playing the game for half an hour. If having a fat woman in a shooting game offends you so much that you actively wish for a game to fail then there is something else wrong there. Ugly character designs are one things, hell Fable and Sims have had some god awful ugly ones, but you're more likely to turn people off of games if they are just not fun to play and are generic to everything else out on the market.

And yet, here you are defending ""small"" decissions that make the game a little bit worse in the name of a not so hidden anymore agenda, fighting people who want the game to be as good as possible and a faithful artistic representation of what the original was.
Lucas the Thief 2024 年 9 月 29 日 下午 8:29 
引用自 Karosu-Maker
引用自 Lucas the Thief
Dude I been playing for over 30 years. I grew up in the age of god awful pixels, polygons and ♥♥♥♥♥♥ graphics. I have seen numerous ugly af characters and artwork and I've seen plenty of generic af characters you don't give two dams about after playing the game for half an hour. If having a fat woman in a shooting game offends you so much that you actively wish for a game to fail then there is something else wrong there. Ugly character designs are one things, hell Fable and Sims have had some god awful ugly ones, but you're more likely to turn people off of games if they are just not fun to play and are generic to everything else out on the market.

And yet, here you are defending ""small"" decissions that make the game a little bit worse in the name of a not so hidden anymore agenda, fighting people who want the game to be as good as possible and a faithful artistic representation of what the original was.
I'm defending one of the best JRPGs around and my first ever RPG. The only people who are seeing some kind of hidden agenda are just trying so hard to be the victims to have something to complain about.
Karosu-Maker 2024 年 9 月 29 日 下午 8:46 
引用自 Lucas the Thief
引用自 Karosu-Maker

And yet, here you are defending ""small"" decissions that make the game a little bit worse in the name of a not so hidden anymore agenda, fighting people who want the game to be as good as possible and a faithful artistic representation of what the original was.
I'm defending one of the best JRPGs around and my first ever RPG. The only people who are seeing some kind of hidden agenda are just trying so hard to be the victims to have something to complain about.

The original and the SNES one are some of the best RPGs ever made. This game is disrespectful to those works, basically implying something was wrong with them that it needed to be changed.

The only people who don't see why these changes are made are willingfully ignorant, haven't been paying atention to the gaming industry nowdays or people who actually want to push these changes. I don't know in what field you fall, but it's just as damaging to the artistic integrity of the game.

Even Yuji Horii came out against this unnecessary alterations, so there's that on top. Tetsuya Nomura talked about this too, and Square Enix is bleeding money to push west ideology focused games like Forspoken.

If Square don't repect the original work, they don't deserve to profit from the fans that loved it.

The fanbase is not complaining to destroy the game, they're actually trying to save it or at the very least avoid these mistakes to be commited again in the future.
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