Buy xplane 12 free xplane 11

[cheongk]

This is good deal for those who don't have xplane 11

[Unster]

It's only for temporary compatibility issues with addons. Otherwise there's no reason to play XP11 if you have 12.

[cheongk]

Originally posted by Unster:

It's only for temporary compatibility issues with addons. Otherwise there's no reason to play XP11 if you have 12.

But it's better than prior to this when xplane 11 is half price. Now it's totally free.
I got xplane10 dvd version. If I get xplane 12, I will have complete collection of xplane 10,11 and 12.

[Unster]

It's not really free. It's just included with your purchase of 12. Might be a good deal for newcomers, but not useful for those who already have 11 like me.

[MagusLucidus]

How many newcomer chooses XP12 instead MSFS?

I think XP12 is more to us which have XP11 already.

[cheongk]

Originally posted by MagusLucidus:

How many newcomer chooses XP12 instead MSFS?

I think XP12 is more to us which have XP11 already.

MSFS can be played using PC Game Pass.

I think most flight simmer will have both MSFS and Xplane.

[N.N.Q]

Originally posted by MagusLucidus:

How many newcomer chooses XP12 instead MSFS?

I would think hardly anyone with a high end machine.

[Kimuriel]

Seeing many always put way more importance over graphical fidelity compared to what is under the hood I'd say MSF2020 in the long run will attract the larger crowd. Kind of gauging the amount of gloating aimed in XP12 direction on youtube etc, I'd say XP11 crowd will likely migrate to XP 12. Newcomers are more likely to follow the tribalistic attitude of: XP12 looks like from 2004 lolz.

Let's face it most people want a game to look pretty out of the box. Obviously, MSF2020 will receive many of the same airport addons these sims always receive and people will shelf out money of 3rd party studylevel aircraft all the same.

Just my 2 cents, I don't see why there is this need for such: My sim is better than yours attitude. Let people enjoy the product they like really. I kinda expected this semi ♥♥♥♥-measuring contest to happen, and frankly I do not see the point of any of this. If you prefer MSF2020, why come around XP11 steam forum just to say that? same for some XP fans, on MSF2020 board i'd say.

I wonder how long it'll take the simcrowd to kind of live and let live. Sims can coexist, no matter how much some would prefer one sim to eradicate all competition lol. All i just hope is that more competition will result in cheaper payware aircraft for both sims down the line.

[kalnon]

MSFS looks stunningly beautiful, however flight physics in MSFS are complete garbage and Asobo seems to have no desire to fix it. I've played every flight simulator on the market and MSFS has the worst physics of them all. Even many of the 3rd party planes i own for FSX feel far more realistic to me than MSFS planes do. Asobo/Microsoft seem to believe that people will think flying aircraft that are too realistic is too hard. I think they don't really understand and they underestimate the flight simulation community.

MSFS is a simcade designed for the more casual flight sim crowd and other gamers which means it will appeal to more people and it will likely always be more popular because of it's pretty graphics. However, I think most hardcore flight simmers like myself as well as real world pilots that crave realism will continue to prefer X-Plane over MSFS. Personally, I'm team Laminar all the way.

[kalnon]

Originally posted by Maki Nishikino:

Originally posted by kalnon:

MSFS looks stunningly beautiful, however flight physics in MSFS are complete garbage and Asobo seems to have no desire to fix it. I've played every flight simulator on the market and MSFS has the worst physics of them all. Even many of the 3rd party planes i own for FSX feel far more realistic to me than MSFS planes do. Asobo/Microsoft seem to believe that people will think flying aircraft that are too realistic is too hard. I think they don't really understand and they underestimate the flight simulation community.

MSFS is a simcade designed for the more casual flight sim crowd and other gamers which means it will appeal to more people and it will likely always be more popular because of it's pretty graphics. However, I think most hardcore flight simmers like myself as well as real world pilots that crave realism will continue to prefer X-Plane over MSFS. Personally, I'm team Laminar all the way.

I beg to differ and many will say the same. I'm a pretty hardcore simmer myself and have been for a very long time. I currently have XP 11 (did buy XP 12 but refunded it), P3Dv4 / v5 and MSFS with tons of addons.

My days of using XP and P3D are pretty much coming to an end and I most certainly think that a number of hardcore simmers will make the move to MSFS. For myself personally I'm just waiting for some addons to come to MSFS before I say goodbye to XP and P3D for good.

I have 2,151 hours in XP 11, 6,483 hours on VATSIM and been using sims for 25 years. I wouldn't call myself a causal by any means. There just really isn't much incentive for me to use XP anymore with MSFS being out there and very glad I was able to refund XP 12 and I used that money to buy an adddon for MSFS.

Hey man, if you like it that much then more power to you. To each their own. Everyone will have a different perspective and the "better simulator" debate will go on forever. I still play MSFS from time to time to explore the nice scenery and stuff and I own a few 3rd party planes now that are ok, I wanted to see if they're better than the default planes and they are a little better but MSFS will never be my go to simulator and I don't plan to buy any more content for it. I feel that many of the aircraft I own for other simulators are far superior and more worthy of my time.

Edit: I know there are flight simmers out there that are not bothered by physics issue and are happy to use MSFS all day long and while I'm sure there's plenty of people that would agree with you, there's are a lot of people that would disagree with you. Just doing some Googling you can find a lot of forum posts and YT videos on both sides.

[Maki Nishikino]

Originally posted by kalnon:

MSFS looks stunningly beautiful, however flight physics in MSFS are complete garbage and Asobo seems to have no desire to fix it. I've played every flight simulator on the market and MSFS has the worst physics of them all. Even many of the 3rd party planes i own for FSX feel far more realistic to me than MSFS planes do. Asobo/Microsoft seem to believe that people will think flying aircraft that are too realistic is too hard. I think they don't really understand and they underestimate the flight simulation community.

MSFS is a simcade designed for the more casual flight sim crowd and other gamers which means it will appeal to more people and it will likely always be more popular because of it's pretty graphics. However, I think most hardcore flight simmers like myself as well as real world pilots that crave realism will continue to prefer X-Plane over MSFS. Personally, I'm team Laminar all the way.

I beg to differ and many would agree.

I have 2,151 hours in XP 11, 6,483 on VATSIM and been in the hobby for 25 years.

Would you consider me a casual?

The days of me using XP are coming to an end. I bought XP 12 and refunded it. It's just really difficult for me to have a reason to be using XP these days with MSFS out there. There are some solid addons for MSFS and I bought yet another one with the money I got back from the refund.

One of my favorite addons for XP is the Airfoillabs Cessna 172. This is a $50 addon that is getting a free update to XP 12 and I'm passing on it. A2A is a well respected addon developer in the flight sim community and they're currently working on their Comanche for MSFS. I have very little doubt they will bring their Skyhawk to MSFS at some point, it would make them some serious money given how MSFS is the cat's pajamas.

There would be just little to no reason for me to use the Airfoillabs Cessna 172 in XP 12 when this happens aside from the fact that the one currently offered from Airfoillabs is a much newer model and equipped with G1000 (which isn't even exactly accurate). At some point they will offer the steam gauge version but why would I use that over one offered by A2A at some point?

Imagine if A2A decides to model a newer Cessna 172 equipped with a G1000 NXi as well as a steam gauge version, thanks to Working Title this is a total possibility. In fact I'm pretty sure their R&D Cessna 182 was equipped with a G1000 but due to complications it had steam gauges.

[Maki Nishikino]

Originally posted by kalnon:

-snip-

Please see my new post.

EDIT:

Originally posted by kalnon:

Edit: I know there are flight simmers out there that are not bothered by physics issue.

The current state of ground physics most certainly does bother me at times. If there is a crosswind of like at least 10 knots I turn off weather till airborne. Last thing I want are people thinking I don't know how to properly position flight controls during ground operations. This issue is being addressed.

[kalnon]

Originally posted by Maki Nishikino:

Originally posted by kalnon:

-snip-

Please see my new post.

I understand the point your making and if you prefer MSFS than you should stick with only buying planes for it and not waste money on planes you won't fly. BTW I own the AIrfoillabs steam guage C172 and also own several A2A aircraft for FSX and P3D which I still fly. In fact, once they start releasing planes for MSFS I might actually be tempted to try them because there reputation is so good as you said. I would be curious to see if their MSFS planes are or can be as good as their other aircraft.

[Maki Nishikino]

Originally posted by kalnon:

Originally posted by Maki Nishikino:

Please see my new post.

I understand the point your making and if you prefer MSFS than you should stick with only buying planes for it and not waste money on planes you won't fly. BTW I own the AIrfoillabs steam guage C172 and also own several A2A aircraft for FSX and P3D which I still fly. In fact, once they start releasing planes for MSFS I might actually be tempted to try them because there reputation is so good as you said. I would be curious to see if their MSFS planes are or can be as good as their other aircraft.

They're only going to be better, it's the same deal with iniBuilds.

[kalnon]

Originally posted by Maki Nishikino:

Originally posted by kalnon:

I understand the point your making and if you prefer MSFS than you should stick with only buying planes for it and not waste money on planes you won't fly. BTW I own the AIrfoillabs steam guage C172 and also own several A2A aircraft for FSX and P3D which I still fly. In fact, once they start releasing planes for MSFS I might actually be tempted to try them because there reputation is so good as you said. I would be curious to see if their MSFS planes are or can be as good as their other aircraft.

They're only going to be better, it's the same deal with iniBuilds.

I know visually they will be stunning aircraft I'm sure. What I'm not sure of is if they can overcome the flight physics limitations that MSFS has. This I think remains to be seen. In the past, what A2A is best known for is bringing a whole new level of realism to their aircraft that few other sim aircraft developers could match. If anyone can do it, they can.

[Maki Nishikino]

Originally posted by kalnon:

Originally posted by Maki Nishikino:

They're only going to be better, it's the same deal with iniBuilds.

I know visually they will be stunning aircraft I'm sure. What I'm not sure of is if they can overcome the flight physics limitations that MSFS has. This I think remains to be seen. In the past, what A2A is best known for is bringing a whole new level of realism to their aircraft that few other sim aircraft developers could match.

I know what A2A is known for, I have their aircraft in P3D. As for limitations of MSFS there is a very well written up post that debunks a lot of it, I won't leave it here but shoot me a friend request and I will be happy to send it.