XP12: So No Google Maps then??

[Stringbean]

So from what I gather, there will be no beautiful scenery from Google or Bing maps in XP12 like we currently have in MSFS. So default XP11 ground textures and scenery?
Somebody referred to XP12 as more of XP11.5.

[grandafam1]

I hope XP takes a different path than MSFS .. else I will have to uninstall it too.

[Maki Nishikino]

I'm curious if Orbx will continue with TrueEarth for XP12. I have a couple of their TrueEarth products for XP11.

[Stringbean]

Originally posted by Maki Nishikino:

I'm curious if Orbx will continue with TrueEarth for XP12. I have a couple of their TrueEarth products for XP11.

I hope they do as well. I have the whole of the UK in Orbx TrueEarth scenery and many Orbx VFR small grass airfields.

[squashplayer1]

No, XP 12 won't have google/bing scenery.

But the weather / nature / grahics improvements are not bad at all. I like them.

I think, it is to expensive for LR to provide the needed server infrastructure and buy the rights of the satellite images. It would be a huge amount of money.

Personally, I use Orthos for Europe (Level 16-18, 4 TB), USA (Level 12, 1 TB) and Africa (Level 12, 1 TB). Orthos look even better than the blue tinted muddy MSFS scenery above 5000 ft.

But I understand if people are tired of creating several TB of Orthos in hundreds of hours.

In the long run, I think LR will offer streaming scenery, but right now it is still too expensive. One day it will be normal.

Or a third party vendor will offer it for X-Plane and LR just offers the necessary adapter for displaying the scenery in the sim.

[jns]

Originally posted by grandafam1:

I hope XP takes a different path than MSFS .. else I will have to uninstall it too.

totally agree.. want to be able to play offline and have a sim that focuses on important stuff...

[squashplayer1]

As long as Austin is the boss of LR, I think he will stay on "his" road and XP will stay a serious sim

[John W]

Originally posted by Maki Nishikino:

I'm curious if Orbx will continue with TrueEarth for XP12. I have a couple of their TrueEarth products for XP11.

They probably will but I would rather that they do an upgraded version of their global textures. Higher resolution than their textures for P3D/FSX. More on the order of True Earth but on a global scale. While the True Earth scenery is very nice it's way too expensive to do large areas. If the textures in XP12 are the same as XP11 (aside from having seasons) then I would have no intention of purchasing it.

[old tail dragger]

Higher resolution might kill my frame rate, I am borderline in XP11 now and would have to get a better computer to run XP12. I will try the demo and see.

[Echo Kilo]

Originally posted by Stringbean:

So from what I gather, there will be no beautiful scenery from Google or Bing maps in XP12 like we currently have in MSFS. So default XP11 ground textures and scenery? Somebody referred to XP12 as more of XP11.5.

There's some information about the subject in X-Plane.org forums:
https://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?/forums/topic/255619-google-maps-for-x-plane-12/#comment-2272569

Notably:
"Google does not "own" that imagery. They license it from the companies you can read in the copyright statement at the bottom of google maps. And the license google buys it under does not include the right to resell that imagery."

[Stringbean]

Well at the end of the day Xplane will still have generic looking textures. Unless I'm going to fly at high altitudes in an airliner where it doesn't matter then MSFS will be the go-to Sim for a truly great VFR experience across the whole world.

Having said that, MSFS is improving with yet many more years of support so the flight dynamics could well improve.

So many real-world Heavy jet pilots now have YouTube channels flying the PMDG 737 in MSFS and saying how very realistic the flight dynamics are so Xplane really have to come up with something good to win people back.

[squashplayer1]

Well...of course the real world pilot say it because they are bought by Microsoft obviously. Any person who even has flown in a 737 as a passenger can tell that the MSFS flight dynamics are absolute crap.

[Maki Nishikino]

Originally posted by squashplayer1:

Well...of course the real world pilot say it because they are bought by Microsoft obviously. Any person who even has flown in a 737 as a passenger can tell that the MSFS flight dynamics are absolute crap.

My dad is a Captain for American flying the 737, he says they're fine though not perfect (no sim is). They have also flown many other aircraft in their career including the MD-80, Saab 340, Jetstream 31 and Metroliner. They have also taught a lot of people as a CFI and CFII.

[Stringbean]

Originally posted by squashplayer1:

Well...of course the real world pilot say it because they are bought by Microsoft obviously. Any person who even has flown in a 737 as a passenger can tell that the MSFS flight dynamics are absolute crap.

That has to be the biggest load of baloney I've ever heard. 😂

[squashplayer1]

@Stringbean: no it is not...have you ever made a Zibo 737 flight in X-Plane? Just a small flight from your airport to your airport. You will immediately notice the difference.

[Stringbean]

Originally posted by squashplayer1:

no it is not...have you ever made a Zibo 737 flight in X-Plane? Just a small flight from your airport to your airport. You will immediately notice the difference.

Yes I have flown the Zibo and my Flight Factor 767 in Xplane. You were talking about flying in a 737 as a passenger and accusing real-world pilots of being bought my MS. Lol.
I'd rather believe the thoughts and opinions of real-world pilots who fly the PMDG 737 in MSFS than I would a mere armchair pilot such as yourself.