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Is It True What They say About The Saitek Yoke??
With regards to a deadzone in the middle? I've seen nothing but praise for the CH Flight Yokes and even more for the CH Eclipse version. I'm in the market for a yoke and was looking around doing some research.

Saitek seems to have a less than favourable reputation. I don't know if the products have been improved since Logitech took the company over.
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With regards to a deadzone in the middle? I've seen nothing but praise for the CH Flight Yokes and even more for the CH Eclipse version. I'm in the market for a yoke and was looking around doing some research.

Saitek seems to have a less than favourable reputation. I don't know if the products have been improved since Logitech took the company over.
Do you mean the lack of tension more the middle? I haven't had any issue with an actual deadzone.

In regards to the former there is a lack of tension, I fixed mine with a quick modification (Rubber Bands around some inner components), but it is definitely present without doing the modification.

I still love my yoke (Hate Saitek now, X-55 was my breaking point), but you are probably better off with CH (I ended up going with a CH Fighterstick after my X-55 pretty much died and I couldn't be happier [CH has a fantastic build quality]). I'll tell you the only Saitek product I have ever been satisfied with 100% is my rudder pedals (Pro version) as I have yet to find any poor quality in it (Yoke felt cheap when it came to materials and the loose tension, X-52 definitely had a deadzone and it felt very cheap, and the X-55 was an all around malfunctioning HOTAS ).

Again though, the Yoke is great once you perform the rubber band modification, but it may be best just to go with the CH one.
Yes,..I'm going CH products because I've read nothing but good things about their build quality and there is no dead zone in the middle. I've seen the YouTube videos on the deadzone for Saitek regards that modification using rubber bands. What a joke! Shouldn't have to do that. No wonder Saitek went belly-up and got taken over by Logitech.
The only thing I'd buy from Saitek/Logitech are the radio panels etc. Their pedals seem to be glitching out and are not linear anymore, and I never got all the buttons on my first Saitek joystick working.

They always had, and always will, have driver issues imo with anything with axes.
I've been using Logitech wheels and pedals for years with my driving Sims. never had issues with Logitech in that regard. However, I digress, back to Saitek.........
Dazven 5. Jan. 2018 um 12:52 
Ursprünglich geschrieben von stringbean6:
I've been using Logitech wheels and pedals for years with my driving Sims. never had issues with Logitech in that regard. However, I digress, back to Saitek.........
Well they own Saitek now, so maybe Logitech can set a higher bar for them.

I doubt it, but who knows. Saitek is just one of the biggest names in Flight Simulation HOTAS (And other accessories) products so it would be great to have quality products from them.

Even if they did raise the bar though I highly doubt they would surpass other manufacturers like Thrustmaster, CH, VKB, and others.
Goobs 5. Jan. 2018 um 14:39 
I have a CH eclipse.

Honestly, I'm not particularly impressed with it.
In general terms of preformance, accuracy and build quality, it's comparable to an entry-level, 20-30$ flight stick. I'm afraid to even touch it - it feels like it'll fall apart if I put the weight of my hands+arms on it.

On top of that, there's essentially no aftermarket for it. No custom knobs, handles, mounts, ect.

If you have 200$ to spend on flight hardware, I'd personally advise a T1600 and a switch panel from darek spear's website.

The money would be much better spent, IMO.

And yes, it IS true what they say about the saitek yoke.

The deadzone is hard-coded into the firmware of all models. In order to remove it, you'll need to re-wire the USB controller to a 40$ aftermarket part, and ruin your warranty.

I've spoken with their support about it, as well as others who have. They have a canned, copy/paste policy that they will not remove the deadzone for you.
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T16000M is a great product. I've had absolutely no issues at all. 10/10 from me.
Goobs 5. Jan. 2018 um 14:49 
Yeah, trust me. You won't mind missing a yoke if you have good flight stick of any sort.

16 bit resolution, sliding throttle, and lots of buttons.

(Both the saitek and CH yokes only measure movement in 8 bit resolution, regardless of what is advertised by some sites)
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T16000M is a great product. I've had absolutely no issues at all. 10/10 from me.

I watched a review of that on YouTube the other day. Looks impressive. Some people have modified it so that the light stays off.

EDIT:

Actually, I just remembered something regards the T16000M. There's no left/right twist on the stick meaning you'll need pedals right or have I got that wrong?
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I've owned two saitek X52's one pro unit.

Garbage. Both started to fall apart after a short time, and the potentiometers are very very jumpy. Drivers are flaky as well.

CH products though.. I have yoke and pedels.. both are solid contruction and with very good pots.

Funny.. I have an old saitek EVO Cyborg, in which I removed the spring to use for choppers in X-plane. THAT one is solid and well built.

What the hell happened.. no wonder they ended up getting bought.

Logitech makes some halfway decent products and I wonder if they will stand for it.

THough I do have to say my Logitech G920 wheel which I replaced my G27 with has the worst pots I've ever experienced.
Ursprünglich geschrieben von RedLightning:

What the hell happened.. no wonder they ended up getting bought.

Logitech makes some halfway decent products and I wonder if they will stand for it.

Yes,..I've been wondering that too, whether Logtech will take a serious look at the technical/software shortcomings of the Saitek yoke and improve on it somehow. I'm wondering how much of the old Saitek hardware is still left in stock before Logitech starts afresh or whether they'll continue on with the old assembley line as it is.

Logitech have already been selling Saitek hardware in their own branded boxes for a while now. I recently purchased the Saitek Side Panel, usually used for Farming Sim, and it came in a Logitech branded box but the Saitek name still remains printed on the Side Panel itself and could be either old stock and are waiting for them to sell out before renaming to Logitech or maybe they will continue with the Saitek branding on those products including the yoke.
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Ursprünglich geschrieben von stringbean6:
Ursprünglich geschrieben von RedLightning:

What the hell happened.. no wonder they ended up getting bought.

Logitech makes some halfway decent products and I wonder if they will stand for it.

Yes,..I've been wondering that too, whether Logtech will take a serious look at the technical/software shortcomings of the Saitek yoke and improve on it somehow. I'm wondering how much of the old Saitek hardware is still left in stock before Logitech starts afresh or whether they'll continue on with the old assembley line as it is.

Logitech have already been selling Saitek hardware in their own branded boxes for a while now. I recently purchased the Saitek Side Panel, usually used for Farming Sim, and it came in a Logitech branded box but the Saitek name still remains printed on the Side Panel itself and could be either old stock and are waiting for them to sell out before renaming to Logitech or maybe they will continue with the Saitek branding on those products including the yoke.

Well I have to hope for the best, as I love logitech products. :) and even saitek, although cheap .. it was the best bang for the buck .
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