Anti cheat

[Partner]

Why does this game still not have a built-in anti-cheat? The problem of cheaters is relevant and many do not want their game to be spoiled by dishonest players using the built-in software as an advantage.

[DatWut?]

The game uses BattleEye, so... there's that.
Where exactly are you seeing cheaters though?

[Partner]

Originally posted by DatWut?:

The game uses BattleEye, so... there's that.
Where exactly are you seeing cheaters though?

BattleEye and anti-cheat are different things, if that matters.so... Nobody likes to play with dishonest players using trainers

[CTARI4OK.1970]

Originally posted by DatWut?:

The game uses BattleEye, so... there's that.
Where exactly are you seeing cheaters though?

there are plenty of them, they use third-party software (open your eyes), https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8RrCySBAdo , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtlEDPt5mNo , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3kcGPNSnH8 , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3DWBeHp3qY , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCCwbCei0Qw ,I'm already fed up with these scammers Ubisoft!, are you going to do anything about this?, or what?

[Alex]

No matter what kind of anti-cheat you have, people will pay top dollar for a trainer and/or bypass.

That's just how the world works, unfortunately. There's nothing we can do about that. All of these anti-cheats like BattlEye, Easy Anti-Cheat, etc. are at least very good at getting rid of the majority of cheaters, because the majority of cheaters will be using the free trainers/menus and bypasses. So with them out of the equation, most people aren't willing to shell out loads of money for the more functional stuff. But you're always going to have the few who will.

[CTARI4OK.1970]

Originally posted by The One Free Man:

No matter what kind of anti-cheat you have, people will pay top dollar for a trainer and/or bypass.

That's just how the world works, unfortunately. There's nothing we can do about that. All of these anti-cheats like BattlEye, Easy Anti-Cheat, etc. are at least very good at getting rid of the majority of cheaters, because the majority of cheaters will be using the free trainers/menus and bypasses. So with them out of the equation, most people aren't willing to shell out loads of money for the more functional stuff. But you're always going to have the few who will.

yes, I completely agree with you, the most interesting thing is that they not only spoil the game for honest players, but also do not comply with the terms of the Ubisoft company itself: “WE ALL PLAY BY THE SAME RULES” , : https://legal.ubi.com/termsofuse/en-GB

[Alex]

Originally posted by CTARI4OK.1970:

Originally posted by The One Free Man:

No matter what kind of anti-cheat you have, people will pay top dollar for a trainer and/or bypass.

That's just how the world works, unfortunately. There's nothing we can do about that. All of these anti-cheats like BattlEye, Easy Anti-Cheat, etc. are at least very good at getting rid of the majority of cheaters, because the majority of cheaters will be using the free trainers/menus and bypasses. So with them out of the equation, most people aren't willing to shell out loads of money for the more functional stuff. But you're always going to have the few who will.

yes, I completely agree with you, the most interesting thing is that they not only spoil the game for honest players, but also do not comply with the terms of the Ubisoft company itself: “WE ALL PLAY BY THE SAME RULES” , : https://legal.ubi.com/termsofuse/en-GB

All you can do is just report bad actors when you spot them.

[DatWut?]

Originally posted by CTARI4OK.1970:

there are plenty of them, they use third-party software (open your eyes)

None of these things are cheats, even if third-party software is involved. Anyone who plugs a wheel into their computer needs a third-party tool to set up the wheel properly.
And by using a wheel, you also get access to wheel mode as well as clutch. Are people who use wheels to their fullest potential cheaters too?
If Ivory Tower didn't hide these things from the menus but instead let anybody freely use those things, there would be no need for third-party software.

And before you accuse me of anything: I do not use wheelmode or clutch.

[Alex]

Originally posted by DatWut?:

Originally posted by CTARI4OK.1970:

there are plenty of them, they use third-party software (open your eyes)

None of these things are cheats, even if third-party software is involved. Anyone who plugs a wheel into their computer needs a third-party tool to set up the wheel properly.
And by using a wheel, you also get access to wheel mode as well as clutch. Are people who use wheels to their fullest potential cheaters too?
If Ivory Tower didn't hide these things from the menus but instead let anybody freely use those things, there would be no need for third-party software.

And before you accuse me of anything: I do not use wheelmode or clutch.

To be fair, there at least was the exploit with making the controller think it's a wheel to get better steering controls, but then they eventually just added in Direct Mode anyways to the game itself.

I'm kinda surprised some 3rd party stuff works though since BattlEye and all that.

[Partner]

Originally posted by DatWut?:

Originally posted by CTARI4OK.1970:

there are plenty of them, they use third-party software (open your eyes)

None of these things are cheats, even if third-party software is involved. Anyone who plugs a wheel into their computer needs a third-party tool to set up the wheel properly.
And by using a wheel, you also get access to wheel mode as well as clutch. Are people who use wheels to their fullest potential cheaters too?
If Ivory Tower didn't hide these things from the menus but instead let anybody freely use those things, there would be no need for third-party software.

And before you accuse me of anything: I do not use wheelmode or clutch.

Any absolutely any use of third-party software, even permitted, to gain an advantage in the game is DISFAIR!! In this case, we are talking about people using a bug and a shortcoming of the developers, beating other unsuspecting players, calling it SKILL!!!!XD

Even if one of the team uses this preset in the game, he can easily "pull" the whole team along with him on the slip. Which is what many use.

[DatWut?]

Originally posted by Partner:

Any absolutely any use of third-party software, even permitted, to gain an advantage in the game is DISFAIR!!

Sure it's unfair, can't argue with that. But you can't blame the players for that, nor would an anti-cheat help with that. Quite the opposite really, if the usage of third-party software would be considered a cheat, many players who use wheels would get banned. Heck, even certain controllers would get banned as they require a third-party software too. I used the Thrustmaster eSwap X Pro for a while, for example. And to make matters even more complicated, the wheel module functions similar to wheel (albeit with less overall angle), so using that in combination with direct mode is probably the closest thing you get to having an actual wheel without having a wheel.

beating other unsuspecting players, calling it SKILL!!!!XD

Having the ability to super precisely steer is a skill though. I know many players who use a controller and don't know how to halfway push the stick to either side.

[Partner]

Originally posted by DatWut?:

Originally posted by Partner:

Any absolutely any use of third-party software, even permitted, to gain an advantage in the game is DISFAIR!!

Sure it's unfair, can't argue with that. But you can't blame the players for that, nor would an anti-cheat help with that. Quite the opposite really, if the usage of third-party software would be considered a cheat, many players who use wheels would get banned. Heck, even certain controllers would get banned as they require a third-party software too. I used the Thrustmaster eSwap X Pro for a while, for example. And to make matters even more complicated, the wheel module functions similar to wheel (albeit with less overall angle), so using that in combination with direct mode is probably the closest thing you get to having an actual wheel without having a wheel.

beating other unsuspecting players, calling it SKILL!!!!XD

Having the ability to super precisely steer is a skill though. I know many players who use a controller and don't know how to halfway push the stick to either side.

A good anti-cheat will help in case of using third-party prohibited software, which many do not neglect


Why can't I blame a player who uses third-party software to get an obvious advantage?)
Naturally, it is harder to play on a wheel than on a pad, so the developers created a concession for them, but using this concession on a gamepad is cheating, although it is not officially prohibited.

[DatWut?]

Originally posted by Partner:

A good anti-cheat will help in case of using third-party prohibited software, which many do not neglect

I am not arguing against that either and I am against actual cheats (infinite nitrous, super acceleration, super grip or whatever else may exist).

Why can't I blame a player who uses third-party software to get an obvious advantage?)

Might as well start blaming players for using manual gearbox because it also gives an obvious advantage.

Naturally, it is harder to play on a wheel than on a pad, so the developers created a concession for them, but using this concession on a gamepad is cheating, although it is not officially prohibited.

Playing with the controller set up to be recognised as a wheel requires being smooth and precise with your movement, and as such also makes the game harder.
Where is the difference?

[Partner]

Originally posted by DatWut?:

Originally posted by Partner:

Originally posted by author:

Might as well start blaming players for using manual gearbox because it also gives an obvious advantage.

It doesn't give any advantage - don't make it up

Playing with the controller set up to be recognised as a wheel requires being smooth and precise with your movement, and as such also makes the game harder.
Where is the difference?

Only a person who has played the game for 57 hours, most of which is storytelling, could write such nonsense.

[Nursemorph]

Originally posted by Partner:

It doesn't give any advantage - don't make it up

Ermmm..using manual gears vs automatic gears doesn't give any advantage? Do you really believe that? You may want to do some testing on that one. Until recently, I was using automatic gears for this game...the day i switched to manual, I redid a Summit race and was 8 seconds quicker. Granted some of it would have been lines etc but I would say between 3-5 seconds of that was the switch to manual (I am basing this on the delta gain I have seen in other racing games)

Offroad low level jeeps etc is where manual gains massive amounts...frequently in auto, you end up bogged down by being in too higher a gear.

[CTARI4OK.1970]

Originally posted by DatWut?:

Originally posted by CTARI4OK.1970:

there are plenty of them, they use third-party software (open your eyes)

None of these things are cheats, even if third-party software is involved. Anyone who plugs a wheel into their computer needs a third-party tool to set up the wheel properly.
And by using a wheel, you also get access to wheel mode as well as clutch. Are people who use wheels to their fullest potential cheaters too?
If Ivory Tower didn't hide these things from the menus but instead let anybody freely use those things, there would be no need for third-party software.

And before you accuse me of anything: I do not use wheelmode or clutch.

yeah, really bad, show me where in the license agreement from Ubisoft is there permission to use third-party software that changes the mechanics of the game? All devices from the steering wheel and game pad, keyboards are allowed by the developers, so why go into the game files and change the mechanics of the game itself, giving an advantage over other players, that's what I mean, don't you understand, this is fraud, if the Ubisoft company itself makes the necessary changes to this game, Ubisoft will do all this, without outside interference and officially , read, it and I hope you will understand everything , https://legal.ubi.com/termsofuse/en-GB ,
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