Give it to me straight, how bad is Witch now

[BigBallinChester]

I loved using this character, having minions distract and wall up enemies while I pepper them with curses and spells. I only use my wand during boss fights and I loved it.

How bad is it now?

[Pervy]

Why would it be bad? I just killed act 1 last boss with my minion witch. Those gas arrows that blow up are something good.

Edit, from what i could understand. Minions was the least via able in earlie game.

[wuhiroshi]

Why is the Witch I’m playing dealing such low damage? Just from my weapon and gloves alone, I have over 200%+ spell damage increase, yet when I use different lightning skills, I’m only hitting for around 50 damage per attack.

This is already my fourth character, and I’ve never seen damage this low before. Isn’t lightning-based builds supposed to be OP? I’m level 33 in Act 3 of the story. At first, I thought it was just because I was underleveled, but now I’m in Act 3, and I still can’t kill a single normal monster with three casts of my skills.

Originally, the ape boss was something I could kill on the first try, but now I’ve died over 50 times, and each of my lightning hits still only does 50 damage, even with the skill tree’s damage bonuses.

I seriously feel like swearing right now!

[Pervy]

Originally posted by wuhiroshi:

Why is the Witch I’m playing dealing such low damage? Just from my weapon and gloves alone, I have over 200%+ spell damage increase, yet when I use different lightning skills, I’m only hitting for around 50 damage per attack.

This is already my fourth character, and I’ve never seen damage this low before. Isn’t lightning-based builds supposed to be OP? I’m level 33 in Act 3 of the story. At first, I thought it was just because I was underleveled, but now I’m in Act 3, and I still can’t kill a single normal monster with three casts of my skills.

Originally, the ape boss was something I could kill on the first try, but now I’ve died over 50 times, and each of my lightning hits still only does 50 damage, even with the skill tree’s damage bonuses.

I seriously feel like swearing right now!

Why are you playing a mage on a witch, insted of sorc?

[Dregora]

I don't think witch is bad per sé, but it's probably one of the weaker ones. I think a lot of people misunderstand the class and go full minion early game and then wonder why it sucks.

It doesn't work like other games. They require investment. It's probably also a factor that stuff isn't properly balanced, which is why you see fire witch with arsonists + skulls attached to firewall to be the top tier build for witch.

But whichever you go, minions require investments. But even with said investment, they're not as good as could be, so hopefully that changes. Minions CAN work, it just requires levels and passives. Mine didn't really take off till level 30 or so.


Can't comment on other builds from personal experience.

Originally posted by wuhiroshi:

Why is the Witch I’m playing dealing such low damage? Just from my weapon and gloves alone, I have over 200%+ spell damage increase, yet when I use different lightning skills, I’m only hitting for around 50 damage per attack.

This is already my fourth character, and I’ve never seen damage this low before. Isn’t lightning-based builds supposed to be OP? I’m level 33 in Act 3 of the story. At first, I thought it was just because I was underleveled, but now I’m in Act 3, and I still can’t kill a single normal monster with three casts of my skills.

Originally, the ape boss was something I could kill on the first try, but now I’ve died over 50 times, and each of my lightning hits still only does 50 damage, even with the skill tree’s damage bonuses.

I seriously feel like swearing right now!

200% of 0 is still 0. I've got no idea how your passive tree looks like, but only getting % doesn't work. You have to level your skills too. Each gem you get can level it, which raises the base value. You also have support skills that give enemies weakness to a certain element, for example.

Stuff like that. You're not meant to just spam one skill.

[VoiD]

Best character in the game right now, at least to progress through the campaign, people are still discovering late game builds.

[DontEatSmurfs]

Originally posted by OhioMoreLikeOhHellNo:

I loved using this character, having minions distract and wall up enemies while I pepper them with curses and spells. I only use my wand during boss fights and I loved it.

How bad is it now?

by the patch notes, she will get more buffs on her chaos dmg and fire dmg, dont know why you are asking "how good X class is", its EA, everyone will get nerfed, just play whatever you feel like it

[Pervy]

Originally posted by DontEatSmurfs:

Originally posted by OhioMoreLikeOhHellNo:

I loved using this character, having minions distract and wall up enemies while I pepper them with curses and spells. I only use my wand during boss fights and I loved it.

How bad is it now?

by the patch notes, she will get more buffs on her chaos dmg and fire dmg, dont know why you are asking "how good X class is", its EA, everyone will get nerfed, just play whatever you feel like it

A few days ago, alot of witch players were having problems as full minion.

[BigBallinChester]

Originally posted by Tired Insomniac:

Originally posted by DontEatSmurfs:

by the patch notes, she will get more buffs on her chaos dmg and fire dmg, dont know why you are asking "how good X class is", its EA, everyone will get nerfed, just play whatever you feel like it

A few days ago, alot of witch players were having problems as full minion.

Yeah its what I want to do. I want my minions to attack while i throw curses and do a little damage. If I wanted to really use magic as an attack I would just use a sorcerer

[Pervy]

Originally posted by OhioMoreLikeOhHellNo:

Originally posted by Tired Insomniac:

A few days ago, alot of witch players were having problems as full minion.

Yeah its what I want to do. I want my minions to attack while i throw curses and do a little damage. If I wanted to really use magic as an attack I would just use a sorcerer

I use skeletal sniper's command skill, and shoot a gas arrow and then make it blow up with a firewall. Or i make the skeleton minions you get from corpses blow up.

But as i said low lvl witches have it hard, if you dont use everything you have.
And only limite yourself to minion dmg, that said the dot you can put on enemys makes the skeleton minions you get out of unearth have it as a "buf" that makes them infect enemys they attack with that dot. But you can't play auto battler with witch.

[Three-Headed-Monkey]

stopped playing at t8 maps but performance wise it was totally fine (if we are talking about minions).

whats incredibly annoying however is that minions get stuck on pretty much every 2nd doorway or narrow passages.

like for example i have 14 arsonists, but only 4-6 will actually fight if i do a map with a lot of doors.

[Pervy]

Originally posted by Three-Headed-Monkey:

stopped playing at t8 maps but performance wise it was totally fine (if we are talking about minions).

whats incredibly annoying however is that minions get stuck on pretty much every 2nd doorway or narrow passages.

like for example i have 14 arsonists, but only 4-6 will actually fight if i do a map with a lot of doors.

Pathing is pretty bad yes.

What kind a stuff where you doing in act 1 with minion only?

[RYⱯN]

Originally posted by OhioMoreLikeOhHellNo:

I loved using this character, having minions distract and wall up enemies while I pepper them with curses and spells. I only use my wand during boss fights and I loved it.

How bad is it now?

love the name, effing ohio people I tell ya...

Witch is fun, game is meh.

[Three-Headed-Monkey]

Originally posted by Tired Insomniac:

What kind a stuff where you doing in act 1 with minion only?

until halfway through act 2 i largely relied on flame wall / fireball with srs because my minions were pretty much dead all the time ... it got a lot better after picking up the minion revival nodes however

[Pervy]

Originally posted by Three-Headed-Monkey:

Originally posted by Tired Insomniac:

What kind a stuff where you doing in act 1 with minion only?

until halfway through act 2 i largely relied on flame wall / fireball with srs because my minions were pretty much dead all the time ... it got a lot better after picking up the minion revival nodes however

I'm using unearth with unstable and 25% faster cast.
And skeleton snipers with 2 extra shots and last grasp(4 seconds alive)? To spam the boom from fire plus gas.

How long can i use this for? or is something better then that burst dmg?

[Three-Headed-Monkey]

Originally posted by Tired Insomniac:

I'm using unearth with unstable and 25% faster cast.
And skeleton snipers with 2 extra shots and last grasp(4 seconds alive)? To spam the boom from fire plus gas.

How long can i use this for? or is something better then that burst dmg?

sniper/arsonist/frostmage/reaver are all usable during the campaign + cruel, been switching it up a lot every few levels to gauge their performance.

once you get t3 support gems i'd switch to arsonists though, snipers work too but arsonists will perform a bit better.

with t3 gems you can then put stuff like flame exposure on your doggo which will always be active because of his fire aura.

(you probably already do this since you use snipers, but i'll mention it just in case, you wanna use flame wall if you use projectile based minions for the fire buff)