This is a GAMBLING RPG - Not an aRPG

[UnknownOne]

The loot system in this game could be good, but it's not. Of the 100 or so Exalted Orbs I've applied, I'd wager that 90/100 ruined the item. What I mean, is that it added something like 1.5 Health regen or 1-4 thorns. When I go to remove these, it removes a stat I want.

This was an issue in POE1 as well. So, I doubt I will ever return. I played POE1 for about 100 hours too and came to the same realization. You will spend hundreds of hours farming, and 90% of the time, you will get nothing useful. The Unique items are like 99% utter garbage too. It feels like most of them are place holders. Edit: My guess is that uniques will roll out when they add currency that lets you gamble the stats on them as well.

Boss battles are too challenging for the practically ZERO rewards you get. They simply dont drop anything useful with any regularity. So, it just feels punishing to fight them. Why spend all that time fighting when the likelihood of a drop is close to zero? Then, if you get something cool, you are 99% likely to brick the item and make it useless. I mean, who thought this was good design? It sucks.

Anyway, if the devs are reading, you need to increase drop rates probably 10 fold. The vast majority of decent items that drop are ruined anyway. So, as the game stands, it's a dead end for me.

I would highly recommend waiting to try this game until its F2P. I'd like my 30 dollars back.

Of my 90 hours, I'd say I enjoyed maybe 10 of those hours. Edit: I was committed to beating the story which took me about 70 hours on my warrior. Then, when I got to the end game, I spent 20 hours without a single upgrade smashing my head against the wall as my exalt gambling rolls ruined every single decent item I found.

Good luck all.

Edit:

Adding an example of the gambling system in POE. So, you RNG item drops by killing mobs. That is basically the cut/dry aRPG formula. Where it differs is that in POE you have to enhance ALL the items you find with a gambling system. That's where the POE currency comes in. The currency is PURE gambling. The entire item system is built off this, and that's why the game isn't fun - unless you are a gambling addict.

[Amoc]

Publicado originalmente por Torchwick:

Gambling ? wtf are u talking,

He's talking about the horrendous crafting and itemization in this game. There was gambling on crafts in PoE1 as well, but if you took the time to learn it there were some good deterministic ways to reliably make good items. Those don't exist in PoE2. It's pure gambling - a pointless and junky system that (as another player has mentioned) is little more than a more convoluted version of picking up rares and identifying them. You have roughly the same chance of getting something useful out of it.

[upset]

Publicado originalmente por Amoc:

Publicado originalmente por Torchwick:

Gambling ? wtf are u talking,

He's talking about the horrendous crafting and itemization in this game. There was gambling on crafts in PoE1 as well, but if you took the time to learn it there were some good deterministic ways to reliably make good items. Those don't exist in PoE2. It's pure gambling - a pointless and junky system that (as another player has mentioned) is little more than a more convoluted version of picking up rares and identifying them. You have roughly the same chance of getting something useful out of it.

Deterministic items is why they nerfed Harvest from its original implementation. GGG didn't like that so they nuked it. That's why we have what we have now.

[UnknownOne]

Publicado originalmente por Torchwick:

Publicado originalmente por UnknownOne:

Im not spending 1000 hours to have a decent character. I will let the addicts like you do that. You are addicted. That's why you think the game is good. It's not good. The entire gameplay loop is built on gambling. That's all this game is. It's bad. Im just warning people.

If you played POE1 for thousands of hours,, you'll like this one too because you are a gambling addict. It's that simple. This isn't even an aRPG. It's something else entirely.

U clearly dont understand what i said, its not gambling, its min maxing my build with trading. And i m clearly not an addict. I dont gamble some items to Alva, its just a waste of gold. I can buy my items in the poe2trade site with currency i looted. I played D2 D3 D4, Last epoch, Grim Dawn, Titan quest. Poe is an aRPG like them. I dont understand ur statement. What is an aRPG for u ?

POE is NOTHING like older aRPGs. It's only similar in the camera view. That's it. The gameplay of say Diablo 2 is vastly superior. For instance, when you find ANY unique it's likely an upgrade. If you find a unique in POE2 it's likely hot garbage (I found 10 Uniques in my 90 hours and ALL were hot garbage for a caster - I dont think the caster classes would even use them). Further the yellow items are the gambling siumulation. You find a good base via RNG. Then, it's pure gambling from there. NONE of the older, non-live service, aRPGs had these horrendous gambling systems. NONE.

I've played EVERY aRPG ever made. ALL of them. POE is NOT an aRPG. It's a gambling simulator with RPG elements (at best).

[Torchwick]

Publicado originalmente por upset:

Publicado originalmente por Amoc:

He's talking about the horrendous crafting and itemization in this game. There was gambling on crafts in PoE1 as well, but if you took the time to learn it there were some good deterministic ways to reliably make good items. Those don't exist in PoE2. It's pure gambling - a pointless and junky system that (as another player has mentioned) is little more than a more convoluted version of picking up rares and identifying them. You have roughly the same chance of getting something useful out of it.

Deterministic items is why they nerfed Harvest from its original implementation. GGG didn't like that so they nuked it. That's why we have what we have now.

There is Omen in endgame who do the same way like the crafting table in poe1. Omen like : "Remove only suffix when u use an Orb of annulment". Its an item u can activate while using orbs. So yeah, u can make good items like in poe1, but it need a lot of investment.

[Torchwick]

Publicado originalmente por UnknownOne:

Publicado originalmente por Torchwick:

U clearly dont understand what i said, its not gambling, its min maxing my build with trading. And i m clearly not an addict. I dont gamble some items to Alva, its just a waste of gold. I can buy my items in the poe2trade site with currency i looted. I played D2 D3 D4, Last epoch, Grim Dawn, Titan quest. Poe is an aRPG like them. I dont understand ur statement. What is an aRPG for u ?

POE is NOTHING like older aRPGs. It's only similar in the camera view. That's it. The gameplay of say Diablo 2 is vastly superior. For instance, when you find ANY unique it's likely an upgrade. If you find a unique in POE2 it's likely hot garbage. Further the yellow items are the gambling siumulation. You find a good base via RNG. Then, it's pure gambling from there. NONE of the older, non-live service, aRPGs had these horrendous gambling systems. NONE.

I've played EVERY aRPG ever made. ALL of them. POE is NOT an aRPG. It's a gambling simulator with RPG elements (at best).

U have a problem with the term gambling psycho

[Tseric]

I think a first boss in a game should push you to learn the basics, shouldn't be too tough doesn't 2 shot you, but puts up a fight, just to force you to learn a bit, then that boss needs to drop specific loot for your class to show you that bosses drop cool ♥♥♥♥ to make you stronger, then the enemies you fought before that boss should now feel like fodder, that's the incentive to making you feel like you accomplished something and earned something at the same time.
Bosses and enemies after this should follow a similar role, but increasing in different mechanics that push you to play a little differently, all the while removing the mandatory class specific gear (just the bosses) little by little until gear is completely randomised by endgame, this is good enough balance I think. Remove the respec fee so that you're not punished for trying something new in case you fail at a boss a few times, and want to change things up a bit.
Gear percentages and stat increases need to scale with the level of your gear also. And the gambling crap does need to be removed, the game is about finding gear, that is the incentive the entire time.

[Torchwick]

Diablo 2 was a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ gambling game, stop saying it was vastly superior. I did a lot of Mephisto Run, and god the % of drop was ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ low for some items. Like hell u clearly dont know what u are talking about.

[upset]

Publicado originalmente por UnknownOne:

Publicado originalmente por Torchwick:

U clearly dont understand what i said, its not gambling, its min maxing my build with trading. And i m clearly not an addict. I dont gamble some items to Alva, its just a waste of gold. I can buy my items in the poe2trade site with currency i looted. I played D2 D3 D4, Last epoch, Grim Dawn, Titan quest. Poe is an aRPG like them. I dont understand ur statement. What is an aRPG for u ?

POE is NOTHING like older aRPGs. It's only similar in the camera view. That's it. The gameplay of say Diablo 2 is vastly superior. For instance, when you find ANY unique it's likely an upgrade. If you find a unique in POE2 it's likely hot garbage. Further the yellow items are the gambling siumulation. You find a good base via RNG. Then, it's pure gambling from there. NONE of the older, non-live service, aRPGs had these horrendous gambling systems. NONE.

I've played EVERY aRPG ever made. ALL of them. POE is NOT an aRPG. It's a gambling simulator with RPG elements (at best).

You don't sound very informed.

Random drops, check
Skills that differ from basic attacks, check
Different weapons, check
Attributes, check
Mana system, check
Randomized map layouts, check
Combat against enemies, check
Different item rarities, check

Path of Exile has all of these (and other things I forgot to include here) as do other plenty other ARPGs. I doubt you've played every ARPG out there, and if you want people to come away from this discussion thinking you are someone who is reasonably intelligent and that you have an ability to comprehend information you receive, I think most of what you've said so far would belie those very notions.

[donut32]

even the garbage ascendancy trial is RNG trash. what uninstalled me was getting endless "random afflictions" that ended up giving the boss more HP and more damage on trial 2. then i got 1 shot from 3k honor. and you lose the token, and they are stupidly rare because i didnt even find one with 40 hr of mapping, a friend gave me one

ive never seen such worse garbage in my life. just wait til joe 6 pack finally gets into cruel difficulty

lol, this game is done

[upset]

Also I just saw your reviews on the four games you reviewed. All are thumbs down. I think you just hate to like anything. You don't like games period.
I think you seem to just enjoy complaining because it gives you something to do, and it makes you feel better than everyone for not agreeing with people who have fun, almost like you're some underdog fighter against "Big Gaming" or some nonsense.

[Plum]

Publicado originalmente por UnknownOne:

The loot system in this game could be good, but it's not. Of the 100 or so Exalted Orbs I've applied, I'd wager that 90/100 ruined the item. What I mean, is that it added something like 1.5 Health regen, or 1-4 thorns. When I go to remove these, it removes a stat I want.

This was an issue in POE1 as well. So, I doubt I will ever return. I played POE1 for about 100 hours too and came to the same realization. You will spend hundreds of hours farming, and 90% of the time, you will get nothing useful. The Unique items are like 99% utter garbage too. It feels like most of them are place holders.

Boss battles are too challenging for the practically ZERO rewards you get. They simply dont drop anything useful with any regularity. So, it just feels punishing to play fight them.

Anyway, if the devs are reading, you need to increase drop rates probably 10 fold. The vast majority of decent items that drop are ruined anyway. So, as the game stands, it's a dead end for me.

I would highly recommend waiting to try this game until its F2P. I'd like my 30 dollars back.

Of my 90 hours, I'd say I enjoyed maybe 10 of those hours.

Good luck all.

skill issue

[UnknownOne]

Publicado originalmente por Torchwick:

Publicado originalmente por upset:

Deterministic items is why they nerfed Harvest from its original implementation. GGG didn't like that so they nuked it. That's why we have what we have now.

There is Omen in endgame who do the same way like the crafting table in poe1. Omen like : "Remove only suffix when u use an Orb of annulment". Its an item u can activate while using orbs. So yeah, u can make good items like in poe1, but it need a lot of investment.

Yeah, you need like 200-300 hours to get to that point. Meanwhile in Diablo 2 you've got an EPIC god level character and are rolling a new character with all the cool stuff you found after maybe 50-75 hours. Diablo 2 was fun the entire time. This game is a real chore where you input VAST amounts of time to pull a lever and HOPE that it rolls the winning numbers.

POE is trash.

[upset]

Publicado originalmente por UnknownOne:

Publicado originalmente por Torchwick:

There is Omen in endgame who do the same way like the crafting table in poe1. Omen like : "Remove only suffix when u use an Orb of annulment". Its an item u can activate while using orbs. So yeah, u can make good items like in poe1, but it need a lot of investment.

Yeah, you need like 200-300 hours to get to that point. Meanwhile in Diablo 2 you've got an EPIC god level character and are rolling a new character with all the cool stuff you found after maybe 50-75 hours. Diablo 2 was fun the entire time. This game is a real chore where you input VAST amounts of time to pull a lever and HOPE that it rolls the winning numbers.

POE is trash.

No, now you're just making sh¡t up. Again, I think you're just a detractor without an original thought in your head. You're opinionated but have no real viewpoints, and stand for nothing.

[TychoTerziev]

Gambling,gambling,gambling,gambling....I got it the first time. The thing is that the only time it felt like gambling was.....when I gambled two times for items. For me it seems mindboggling why you played something gor 90 hours that you don't enjoy. THIS sounds like an addictive behaviour.

[UnknownOne]

Publicado originalmente por donut32:

even the garbage ascendancy trial is RNG trash. what uninstalled me was getting endless "random afflictions" that ended up giving the boss more HP and more damage on trial 2. then i got 1 shot from 3k honor. and you lose the token, and they are stupidly rare because i didnt even find one with 40 hr of mapping, a friend gave me one

ive never seen such worse garbage in my life. just wait til joe 6 pack finally gets into cruel difficulty

lol, this game is done

The issue is that only people with decent critical thinking skills will realize this. Everyone else is addicted and in denial. They are addicted to the gambling and like that system (even though it's painfully bad if you aren't addicted).