Nice nerf, thanks for wasting my time.

[4tw'xz0dus]

So, I´v been wasting exalted orbs on gear for EVER to get to the point where it feels good to play and get some momentum. That was yesterday finally, now my build is useless and you just decided that my time is worth nothing, it was not even that op i constantly kept dying. I know your trying to get the game balanced but just hammering people out of your game is not a good idea.

[勇気]

Escrito originalmente por alan0n:

Sooo... You really think they should have left in with the ability to two shot high end game bosses simply because YOU happened to be built into it? Making all characters NOT built into it unable to compete on the ladders is totally fine as long as your ego stays satisfied?

Is it even possible to be more entitled and selfish? I hope you DO block me because someone with this mindset is someone I'd be happy not to be engaged by.

You can still easily do this, with warrior for example. It requires no trigger skills. Actually play the game 😂

[勇気]

Escrito originalmente por K:

Escrito originalmente por WereChicken:

This is a point the crybaby wannabe elitists seem to be forgetting: If they keep bricking people's builds you're going to see a big drop in players and also a lot of online negative feelings towards the devs, which has the potential to also prevent others from picking up the game

And you forget that then when things get buffed, or the game hits full release, whatever, that basically everyone who left screaming all that negativity will just come right back as if nothing ever happened.

I know it, you know it, and the developers definitely know it.

Happens all the time, and very few ever actually stick to their guns on things like this.

You mean like Helldiver's 2, which lost almost all its players through months of nerfs?

[CvB]

Escrito originalmente por KillJoy:

Escrito originalmente por Zenwolf:

I really find it hard to understand what people expect from a beta.
They said it quite clearly here:

Will there be wipes during Early Access?
No, there will not be a wipe. We will do new leagues but none of your characters will be wiped, they will just go to a league called Early Access (so they will never be in Standard). In some cases characters in old leagues might be somewhat broken by balance changes though. After launch the "Early Access" characters will still exist.

All this will eventually end up in a separate league of it's own probably a testing ground for future patches. So yeh the gonna mess with a lot of things before full release that is what beta is for.

It's not beta, it's Early Access.
Beta is where you make large adjustments aka nerfs.
Early Access is where you access the game early, and only minor change are to be expected as the game is "almost ready" for release.

Early Access is that you get play the product while the dev is still working on it and before release. Nothing more nothing less.
There are games that almost goes through the whole dev cycle in EA while others 1 or 2 months before release just to get some player data and test it out.

If you went into this thinking this was just gonna be some minor changes and release in a couple month, then that is honestly on you as a consumer. GGG was open and transparent in what stage of development the game was going to open in EA.

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Escrito originalmente por Barks at Bears:

Going to be really hard to test and balance the game when people start leaving in droves because of bricked builds. I already spent a lot of time on my character and I just don't have it in me to create a whole new one to suffer the same fate down the road. Some of us have families and jobs. Respecs should be free at least until they get to a more stable branch.

This is a point the crybaby wannabe elitists seem to be forgetting: If they keep bricking people's builds you're going to see a big drop in players and also a lot of online negative feelings towards the devs, which has the potential to also prevent others from picking up the game (why start when your build will get bricked a week in and the devs don't care whilst the remaining player base attacks you for getting annoyed at having your build bricked?)

The game has almost nothing to get people to keep coming back. They killed build diversity with the lobotomising of the skill tree and whatever the hell it was they did to support gems. Add onto that this crap that explicitly encourages only the most cookie cutter builds and no experimentation and I can see many people getting very bored of this.

The game released a couple of days ago. The nerfs only "bricked" characters that wanted to bumrush into late map game like it was a new PoE1 league with a honestly really obviously broken mechanic. Others who where also effected by the nerfs didnt get "bricked", as we didnt go all in on a mechanic that was 100% gonna get the boot.

But even calling it "bricked" is kinda yahoo talk. You always have the option to go back to easier parts where you can do dmg with a smaller respec and grind for more gold so you can do a total revamp. Yea it may take you a couple of hours but playing some more of a new campaign just a little bit more wont hurt nobody, its not a race to the finnish.
But people dont want to that. They wanted it to be just like a new poe1 league and refuse to compromise within themself thats not gonna happen.

The super HYPE PoE2 got just days before launch really, really hurt this. I honestly dont think GGG thought it was gonna be this big, why the server probs btw. They wanted people who were genuinly enthustiastic about the process of a new campaign, new skill system, new combat gameplay all combined play it with them during development so they could get player data.
That you had to pay for early Early access for something that was later gonna be free shows this, they tried to gatekeep it a bit.
But yea. What we got instead was a massive "Gamer" audience that went into it all expecting a full release, "NO QUARTES GIVEN" if they didnt get their wishes.

[Kaladin]

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Escrito originalmente por fx!:

Yeah it is pretty bad, I feel they should provide some compensation through a hotfix at this point, we will see. Also early access doesn't mean beta/testing environment.
My suggestion is to either wait for their response and/or play different character in the meantime.

Its still launch week. The majority of games has balance patches with nerfs and buffs the first couple of weeks.
Sorry to say but, it is kind of foolish to build your first character in a newly released EA game so that it gets completly bricked by 1 nerf to 1 mechanic. With no possible way of grinding gold for respec.

And on that, NO you should not be compensated for having to respec. Just grind the gold and stop being lazy. Sometimes you just have to grind, deal with it.

My respec will cost me 1 million gold lol. RIP. I refuse to spend weeks farming that.

[wrc]

Escrito originalmente por 4tw'xz0dus:

So, I´v been wasting exalted orbs on gear for EVER to get to the point where it feels good to play and get some momentum. That was yesterday finally, now my build is useless and you just decided that my time is worth nothing, it was not even that op i constantly kept dying. I know your trying to get the game balanced but just hammering people out of your game is not a good idea.

not gonna read rest of the posts cause no point - for some reason google suggested this to me, so I just came to tell you that you are a damn fool and dork and you got far worse issues than games that are getting nerfed lol. sort urself out kid.

[jester]

You bought an Arpg game in EA that have one of the most flexibility allowed but somehow you complain that you one build got nerf.

[Pizzashot]

Some builds are stupid afk farming builds, nerf them to the ground before the real launch! But I think they should lower the respec cost in this test because it cost a minor fortune to respec for people that need to do new builds after a nerf.

[Jeff Seid]

Escrito originalmente por Zanaki:

It's beta, skills will be nerfed, buffed, changed, if a damage change makes you wanna not play you SHOULDN'T be a part of the early access, simple as.

Why are you saying its EA and its Beta they are not the same thing and this game is not in Beta its in EA.

[Jeff Seid]

Escrito originalmente por DeathBringer:

Escrito originalmente por 4tw'xz0dus:

I understand its Early access, but i´m new to poe and this game ain´t no joke and that´s what i like about it, but if they just nerf everything that works it makes the will to find something new go away because soon as you do, they nerf it to the ground. Why take away the chaos and just destroy a build instead of letting the build be the same just lower the damage, The chaos in the build was fun but they took the fun out of it instead of just lowering the damage and letting people play in the chaos, idk seems like nobody but the hardcore player base gets to play untill one year from now when the game is stable.

Sir, the game is still a baby, there will be more chapters, and many updates will happen, some builds will ge better, others worse and that is how it's. The game launched just a few days ago, and it's on easy mode. Believe me, it's going to get harder because good RPG's are like that. If you don't like it, it's better to find another game because PoE community it's already settled, and the essence will keep.... If your build isn't good anymore, make another, that is the joy

Lmao there is no joy in spending a ♥♥♥♥ ton of hours investing in something to have it removed instantly.

[Cyphon]

Game will be live for years and there is no real life trophy for any of it. ANY of it. EVER. nobody gives a f...

It's in early access and will be going thru big changes several times from now to full release....and then probably more periodic balancing changes as season content is released. JFC. People need to chill.

[Andreas]

Escrito originalmente por 4tw'xz0dus:

So, I´v been wasting exalted orbs on gear for EVER to get to the point where it feels good to play and get some momentum. That was yesterday finally, now my build is useless and you just decided that my time is worth nothing, it was not even that op i constantly kept dying. I know your trying to get the game balanced but just hammering people out of your game is not a good idea.

Lets not forget this is an Early access build. Changes are going to be made. The point of the Early access is to balance everything. Some we may agree on others disagree but the devs will make that choice.

Thank you.

[Jeff Seid]

Escrito originalmente por Andreas:

Escrito originalmente por 4tw'xz0dus:

So, I´v been wasting exalted orbs on gear for EVER to get to the point where it feels good to play and get some momentum. That was yesterday finally, now my build is useless and you just decided that my time is worth nothing, it was not even that op i constantly kept dying. I know your trying to get the game balanced but just hammering people out of your game is not a good idea.

Lets not forget this is an Early access build. Changes are going to be made. The point of the Early access is to balance everything. Some we may agree on others disagree but the devs will make that choice.

Thank you.

I dont think anyone disagrees with the premise that EA is a period meant for testing and changes should be made. The difference lies in the devs not being OPEN, telling the community ahead of time or giving people the ability to respec or adjust ahead of time or with warning. You could literally have played 50 hours had a 30min nap and you character was bricked. They need to be open tell players ahead of time or give them free respec times.

[Snu]

you can like, respec. i have like 40 lvl 21 uncut gems and 20 lvl 2-3 uncut support gems. literally just rebind keys on new spells

[Cyphon]

Escrito originalmente por Jeff Seid:

Escrito originalmente por Andreas:

Lets not forget this is an Early access build. Changes are going to be made. The point of the Early access is to balance everything. Some we may agree on others disagree but the devs will make that choice.

Thank you.

I dont think anyone disagrees with the premise that EA is a period meant for testing and changes should be made. The difference lies in the devs not being OPEN, telling the community ahead of time or giving people the ability to respec or adjust ahead of time or with warning. You could literally have played 50 hours had a 30min nap and you character was bricked. They need to be open tell players ahead of time or give them free respec times.

Woah...devs are being very open and VERY responsive. Part of he reason we're seeing people get so upset so quickly over nerfing and their build being "destroyed" is because the devs are paying close attention and making changes on the fly...as is to be expected in early access. We're going to see many many changes between now and official release if these guys keep up the pace.

And let's be real here: some of that complaining is because people found stuff that was legitimately not intended and/or broken to make their builds overpowered and they are mad that they can't exploit it anymore.

[Snakewood]

I'd have thought that free respecs would enable players to try many different builds and so illuminate far more builds' power to the devs to facilitate speedier balancing.

Of course, all these games, when they're fully live, including MMOs and pvp battlers, do meta balancing in a way that varies power across the skill trees and items in order to retain players by encouraging them to acquire different build items, but we're not there with poe2 yet.