Are the classes unbalanced AF?

[Blackstone30]

I got to ask that from the poi of a noob player like me.
Yeah i like to play easy or lazy builds like in PoE1 Pohx and his Rightous Fire Build...absolutly amazing and he explained everything so even new players understood.
But whats going on with PoE2?
I barely see any classes like Monk or Sorccerer on any Build Page Mobalytics, MaxRoll.
I made 3 Classes to test now. Huntress wanted to go to a bleed build, Witch with a try of a Minion Build and Warrior some sort of Giants Blood Warrior Build.
I mean i am propably doing alot wrong...but i couldnt even beat the boss in act 2 with my Warrior..even though i go exactly like the build. Took me almost like 10 Mins and in the end he got me...no more life potions.
So is it just me or feel classes and there skills unbalanced?

[DangerBanana]

There is no semblance of balance since the moment any build really pops off, the whole class gets nuked from orbit by GGG.

Minions are very weak right now, where they were barely middle of the pack in 0.1 . Sorcerer had big damage nerfs especially for lightning builds and monk saw big nerfs to staves.

So it's not you. the game's balance is not implemented anywhere near correctly yet and it'll probably be a while before it becomes reasonable.


Mind you: GGG seems very intent on destroying 'lazy' one button builds.

[Dwane Dibbley]

Amazon crit build <anything> is easy mode. I took old lightning arrow build i used on deadeye, slaped it on amazon, tweaked abit and its stronger than before. And they gonna buff it.

Bow, spear, qstaff or xbow builds all works on her, just tweak it to grab acc/crit/crit damage and you get 100% crit/500+% crit damage monster.

[Eldril Sidewinder]

Having no issues with minions. No special gear. Frost mages are very strong.

[Blackstone30]

Well thats what i tried to say...Amazon is at the moment you could say OP. I mean i now work my way with the bleed build through act 2 normal. But that shouldnt be it.. A friend of mine also no PoE2 expert tried the minions and also cant kill the act 2 boss.
But shouldnt all classes have be some sort of equal in there balance..

[Dwane Dibbley]

Originally posted by Blackstone30:

Well thats what i tried to say...Amazon is at the moment you could say OP. I mean i now work my way with the bleed build through act 2 normal. But that shouldnt be it.. A friend of mine also no PoE2 expert tried the minions and also cant kill the act 2 boss.
But shouldnt all classes have be some sort of equal in there balance..

Minions are bit tricky. You need some knowledge to put propper support on them and use spells that further boost their efficiency. I remember in 0.1 using firewall/raging spirits with poison to break armor to make skeleton snipers pretty strong. Like... it could be complex, not just summon generic skeleton and go.

[Blackstone30]

Originally posted by Dwane Dibbley:

Originally posted by Blackstone30:

Well thats what i tried to say...Amazon is at the moment you could say OP. I mean i now work my way with the bleed build through act 2 normal. But that shouldnt be it.. A friend of mine also no PoE2 expert tried the minions and also cant kill the act 2 boss.
But shouldnt all classes have be some sort of equal in there balance..

Minions are bit tricky. You need some knowledge to put propper support on them and use spells that further boost their efficiency. I remember in 0.1 using firewall/raging spirits with poison to break armor to make skeleton snipers pretty strong. Like... it could be complex, not just summon generic skeleton and go.

Yeah i know..i played it in 0.1 but then RS and FW still worked great. Not sure if i misred it but one build creator mentioned those are already nerfed alot and arent really useful anymore. Thats why i changed to Monk in 0.1 and played this invoker monk which was great. But like i said...on all the build pages i havent seen one monk or sorc in the at least top 20

[Edstyles]

Apparantly warrior is op right now

[DarK]

Everything in the game is unbalanced.

[oldirty`]

Originally posted by Edstyles:

Apparantly warrior is op right now

Has been OP before too in the campaign, was easily the best leveling class.

[Dwane Dibbley]

Originally posted by Blackstone30:

Originally posted by Dwane Dibbley:

Minions are bit tricky. You need some knowledge to put propper support on them and use spells that further boost their efficiency. I remember in 0.1 using firewall/raging spirits with poison to break armor to make skeleton snipers pretty strong. Like... it could be complex, not just summon generic skeleton and go.

Yeah i know..i played it in 0.1 but then RS and FW still worked great. Not sure if i misred it but one build creator mentioned those are already nerfed alot and arent really useful anymore. Thats why i changed to Monk in 0.1 and played this invoker monk which was great. But like i said...on all the build pages i havent seen one monk or sorc in the at least top 20

Take your monk build and slam it on amazon.

[suprpiwi]

Originally posted by Dwane Dibbley:

Originally posted by Blackstone30:

Well thats what i tried to say...Amazon is at the moment you could say OP. I mean i now work my way with the bleed build through act 2 normal. But that shouldnt be it.. A friend of mine also no PoE2 expert tried the minions and also cant kill the act 2 boss.
But shouldnt all classes have be some sort of equal in there balance..

Minions are bit tricky. You need some knowledge to put propper support on them and use spells that further boost their efficiency. I remember in 0.1 using firewall/raging spirits with poison to break armor to make skeleton snipers pretty strong. Like... it could be complex, not just summon generic skeleton and go.

act 2 boss wasn't bad? just use the bugs from dreadnought as spectres, martial tempo, bloodlust, srs with lacerate lol you don't even need armour breaking... ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ normies

[Medicles]

Frankly, i highly doubt the game will ever be balanced. There are just far too many options, which automatically means that not all options are on the same level. We will always have stuff that doesnt work and stuff that will overperform and especially in this game it should be far more extreme, just because of the freedom of choice. Sadly, this also means that many people will just have a bad time because their choices are just too sub-optimal for the content of the game.

Coincidentally, balancing enemies will also be a nightmare, because what exactly is the basis for balancing them when the freedom of choice is too large. Should enemies be on the level as a new guy coming into the game who just builds whatever that is just slightly coherent? Then proper builds would simply steamroll the game. So lets take proper builds as basis then, which means the sub-optimals have very little fun because they are slogging through the game and the overperforming builds are still steamrolling. So the overperforming builds then? Nah, everyone would lose here.

Its just silly and we can see the problems already, which will never stop by the way. It will eventually turn into PoE 1, where people have to look up how to build a character because its just not a good experience to learn the game for themself.

[Hiroko]

Originally posted by Blackstone30:

I barely see any classes like Monk or Sorccerer on any Build Page Mobalytics, MaxRoll.

It takes time to discover coherent builds and write guides, and we're so early in ea, with so many drastic changes that much of that effort would be rendered obsolete very quickly. Its not worth the effort to make detailed guides right now. Even if everything was roughly balanced (its not) it still wouldn't be worth making more guides right now. Theres also just not enough new content (post-campaign) to warrant heavy experimentation. Just grab the known thing, test endgame for a couple days, wait til next patch.

[Purromi]

Originally posted by Blackstone30:

I got to ask that from the poi of a noob player like me.
Yeah i like to play easy or lazy builds like in PoE1 Pohx and his Rightous Fire Build...absolutly amazing and he explained everything so even new players understood.
But whats going on with PoE2?
I barely see any classes like Monk or Sorccerer on any Build Page Mobalytics, MaxRoll.
I made 3 Classes to test now. Huntress wanted to go to a bleed build, Witch with a try of a Minion Build and Warrior some sort of Giants Blood Warrior Build.
I mean i am propably doing alot wrong...but i couldnt even beat the boss in act 2 with my Warrior..even though i go exactly like the build. Took me almost like 10 Mins and in the end he got me...no more life potions.
So is it just me or feel classes and there skills unbalanced?

Don't use builds for poe 2 for new leagues. Streamers are not showing godly stuff for leveling as they don't even know them. And mostly someone doing builds for them.
For Warrior try to put just all in dmg and stun buildup and use leap slam to trivalize campain and bossing during leveling trough campain. You can just simply hold leap slam on bosses and no need even to roll with +/- medium quality weapon for your level.

this game is very noob friendly when we talk about building your char. Even my not-gamer gf made her build with no guides beside i have explained to her how it's workingm. Like just.. This dmg, stun doing that and elements do that".
if she don't need to follow any guide - even gamer casuals don't need to follow guides.

Explore and match elements. That's all. Some characters are easier or harder like monk is hard to play - but also. Everyone are just playing with new asc and huntress.

[Blackstone30]

Okay here is my experience level so far. And i wanna mention..its just my perspective. I know alot are way better in the game than me.
So i started the game curious like most others with the Huntress. Did my first few levels and switched (yes i used a build) to rake. That was pretty much a smasher...melted the smaller and big boss in act 1 like a warm knife through butter. Got to act 2 and i slowly notice a DMG drop somehow. So for the moment i thought "okay lets try something else"
Tried the Minions on the Witch but the skeletons die faster than they respawn...so i also stopped at level 10 and tried the warrior. Wanted to go to 2 2h weapons and used leap slam until i unlock sunder...but when i reached the boss in act 2 and it took me like 10 mins and more before i died..tried a few times....then gave up.