Lightning Spear Shock Bug?

[Hot Zerg Love]

I am sitting on 300% shock chance (100% support gem, 200% base) and I am almost never seeing the shock debuff apply. I have a companion who regularly applies shock, but when I desummon them, I straight out kill entire groups before the debuff ever has a chance to apply.

What is going on? Anyone else noticing this? I cannot get Lightning spear to reliably apply shock no matter what I do, I even went for a lightning modded, and socketed spear (50% boosted phys, with slightly more lightning than phys) to really increase the amount of lightning damage and boost shock chance.... Nothing.


And if others are noticing this issue with lightning spear, how are you reliably applying shock outside of companions with spear??

[Dadbod 9000, Sirer of Sons]

same, need to use other skills to shock

[Hot Zerg Love]

Okay so not just me. That suuuucks. It has to be a bug

[Tantrumus]

I put conduction in my lightning spear and it consistently procs herald of thunder all the time

[Battler]

Same problen on chain lightning

[Dwane Dibbley]

Your lightning damage is just low. Thats all. I have same "problem" on LA. Upgrade weapon, get some flat lighning damage, lightning/elemental damage on tree...

Another factor is enemy HP (shock chance is based on lightning damage of hit vs enemy max HP) or enemy ailment treshold. Both is commonly rolled on maps so if you rely on shock, you can see big damage drop.

So if you wont increase lightning damage, you will be shocking less and less as enemy max hp goes up.

[Battler]

Originally posted by Dwane Dibbley:

Your lightning damage is just low. Thats all. I have same "problem" on LA. Upgrade weapon, get some flat lighning damage, lightning/elemental damage on tree...

Another factor is enemy HP (shock chance is based on lightning damage of hit vs enemy max HP) or enemy ailment treshold. Both is commonly rolled on maps so if you rely on shock, you can see big damage drop.

So if you wont increase lightning damage, you will be shocking less and less as enemy max hp goes up.

No, yesterday I finished act 6 and I could hold 2 shocks on any boss any time. Right now I went to one of the bosses of Act 5 to test and couldn't apply a single shock at all.

UPD Ah, f*ck, thats not a bug

0.2.0e
Arc now releases damaging pulses when Shocked enemies are Hit, but can no longer Shock. It does not consume the Shock. The Arc now deals 9 to 51 at Gem level 1 (previously 9 to 50), scaling up to 82 to 462 at Gem level 20 (previously 72 to 410). The Pulse deals 5 to 31 Lighting Damage at Gem level 1, scaling up to 49 to 277 at Gem level 20, and has a radius of 1.5 metres.

[Hot Zerg Love]

Originally posted by Dwane Dibbley:

1. Your lightning damage is just low.
2. Upgrade weapon
3. get some flat lighning damage
4. lightning/elemental damage on tree...

1. Doubt.
2. Updated, certainly not perfect, but has never lagged.
3. Plenty, I do double or more of my 50% boosted phys damage in lightning
4. I am already melting mobs, the issue is bosses. all of them. Without exception.

I would accept this, if I wasn't playing an arc build last season. I'm not new to the debuff, I am two shotting some of these mobs but the debuff nearly never applies. It is extremely noticeable for bosses. I am trying to get shock debuff consistently applied for primal strikes and it is... I honestly kill them with lightning spear with minimal primal strike rotations, because the debuff rarely pops up. Now I do have a crappy companion with a lightning strike mod that applies it reliably... The issue is relying on the companion is not viable (trying to get a lightning trail to compensate) currently.

So my question just stands, do I have to start doing 3x a normal mobs max hp in damage before I reliably see a 300% shock chance work on bosses?

[Dwane Dibbley]

I have over 200 hours with lightning arrow in 0.1, so im quite familiar with shocks. Its almost always same "lightning damage of singular hit is too low" issue.

And yes, its possible to effortlesly 1 shot trash while strugling with shock on boss. And its cuz boss have extremly high HP compared to normal mobs. Either get highend (and probably very expensive, cuz like 60% of playerbase runs spear) spear... or use voltaic mark.

Voltaic mark worked great for me when i had "bad" gear and needed shock on boss or rare mob. It even gives you buffed shock.

[Hot Zerg Love]

Originally posted by Dwane Dibbley:

or use voltaic mark.

Voltaic mark worked great for me when i had "bad" gear and needed shock on boss or rare mob. It even gives you buffed shock.

I will try out voltaic mark, I hadn't considered it.
However I have considerably more time than you on lightning sorc (no lifer sad brag), and never had issue with shock. Whether I was one tapping trash, or melting bosses. I am hitting harder with spear than I was with arc, the feeling of shock not getting placed is a new experience. I didn't run the 100% chance support gem and had perma shock even while consuming it.

The application of shock doesn't feel right. Lightning spear is only a singular hit lol. It should be applying shock at a much higher rate if it truly has a 300% shock rate my friend. Again, you want to talk about boss hp, but I am melting bosses with spear, which is fine at this level, but I know how the game scales and I want to get this primal strike up instead because it has a higher potential.

Seeing shock not apply, right now, when I am melting bosses with just spear, is very concerning for the end game. I appreciate the tip for voltaic mark, I will test it out and hope it solves the problem.

[FeganMox]

have you made sure that you're not using a gem that stops you from applying shock? i had this issue till i looked at my gems

[Hot Zerg Love]

Originally posted by FeganMox:

have you made sure that you're not using a gem that stops you from applying shock? i had this issue till i looked at my gems

Yeah, I made sure. Voltaic mark makes spear apply shock at a near if not 100% rate. Which makes me wonder if the monster resistance itself is too high.

[Dwane Dibbley]

Originally posted by Hot Zerg Love:

Originally posted by FeganMox:

have you made sure that you're not using a gem that stops you from applying shock? i had this issue till i looked at my gems

Yeah, I made sure. Voltaic mark makes spear apply shock at a near if not 100% rate. Which makes me wonder if the monster resistance itself is too high.

Well, resistance decrease your lightning damage and shock is based on lightning damage vs enemy max HP. So resistance has effect on chance to shock.

The reason why voltaic mark works so well is cuz it gives 50% MORE chance to shock. "more" is multiplicative, "increased" is additive.

[Hot Zerg Love]

Originally posted by Dwane Dibbley:

Well, resistance decrease your lightning damage

I meant innate shock resistance, elemental ailment resistance.

[Dadbod 9000, Sirer of Sons]

Originally posted by Tantrumus:

I put conduction in my lightning spear and it consistently procs herald of thunder all the time

i took your tip and it worked, THANK YOU!

[Dwane Dibbley]

Originally posted by Dadbod 9000, Sirer of Sons:

Originally posted by Tantrumus:

I put conduction in my lightning spear and it consistently procs herald of thunder all the time

i took your tip and it worked, THANK YOU!

Its literaly sacrificing damage on your main damage ability. Not very smart.