how are damage bonuses and multiplier applied?

[CosmicAcidGuru]

edit: for simplicity, I'll not give ranges, but just simple bonus values.

Let's imagine I have a martial weapon that does 100 physical damage.
it also says "adds 10 to physical damage"
it also says "adds 5 to cold damage"
it also says "50% increased physical damage"
I have a ring that says "20% increased cold damage".

so here is the first question: Is the +50% increased physical damage applied before or after adding the +10 physical damage?

now let's look at a skill: Ice Strike says "converts 80% of physical damage to cold damage"

so what's the deal now? Are the bonusses for physical damage applied before 80% is turned into cold? Are the cold bonusses applied on these 80% damage turned into cold?

Anyone know?

[Havok]

https://maxroll.gg/poe2/getting-started/damage-scaling

[Zenogias]

First question : Yeah,+10 physical damage was applied before multiplier of Increased 50 Physical damage (On Your weapon based.).

Second question : When you use a skill it convert the base damage of your weapons into another elemental,so yeah if your weapon base physical damage is low it affected the skills you are using.

Elemental damage is an extra damage added to the skill,it does not included in calculation at the part of converting physical damage.

Let' say if your weapon is 200 physical damage after applied every prefixes.
Your damage multiplier is 450% ---> 200*4.5 = 900

720 of 900 is converted to elemental damage
180 of 900 is the left over as physical damage.

By adding another elemental mods 5 cold damage multiplied by 450% of skill damage --> 5*4.5 = 22.5 as cold damage is another add up to the cold damage from physical damage converted to cold damage 720.

So,it's 720+22.5 = 742.5 as cold damage and another 180 of physical damage.

[CosmicAcidGuru]

thanks. So I guess the +20% increased cold damage only applies to the +5 cold damage.

Originally posted by Zenogias:

Let' say if your weapon is 200 physical damage after applied every prefixes.
Your damage multiplier is 450% ---> 200*4.5 = 900

this part I don't understand. Where is the 450% coming from? I thought your example was that 200 physical damage is already with all bonusses applied.

[CosmicAcidGuru]

oh, I found it. That's the attack modifier for the skill. got it.

[Mindtroverted]

Originally posted by CosmicAcidGuru:

So I guess the +20% increased cold damage only applies to the +5 cold damage.

No. All modifiers to cold damage will apply if the skill itself deals cold damage so in this example the 20% increased cold damage would increase the total cold damage that Zenogias calculated so it would be 742.5*1.2 = 891

It is important to note that global increases and decreases to types of damage that are on your equipment and on the skill tree apply after damage conversion so if you have a physical dmg weapon but are using a skill that converts that damage to elemental, then any increases to physical dmg on your skill tree and equipment will only apply on the portion of dmg that didn't get converted to another damage type.

So in the above example where you would deal 742.5 cold damage and 180 physical damage with Ice Strike, if you had, for example, 10% increased physical dmg on your skill tree, the 180 physical damage would get increased by 10%, but not the 742.5 cold damage.