The PoE community does not know what they want...

[Ichiritzu]

until GGG gives it to them.

One of the examples is WASD back when there was only PoE 1. There were so many outside people asking for WASD, but they kept getting downvoted and saying they don't want it.

Now that WASD is on PoE 2, suddenly you guys like it?

And now there's the issue with player choice, and freedom of building. PoE was praised for having this. Now that PoE 2 or GGG is against it, now you guys agree with that? Have so many restrictions and tedious gameplay is now fun?

You all get mad at people for wanting what made PoE 1 so popular to no longer exist? All because GGG thinks this is what's better? Look at the player count, apparently they know what they are doing. And you just take it up the butt like a good boy.

Why are you against having a fun game? Why can't we have fun, unique, and interesting builds in PoE 2? Why do we have to be boring like you?

[DirtyMick]

I havent really seen anyone against build diversity on here. You sure you didnt just like propose an idea and people disagreed with it, so you think they're anti build diversity?

[SoulessOne]

u tourist, those controls should never reach pc what are u babling about. It also messed with the keyboard and mouse skill fonctionality for some of my favorite, worse thing ever.

[Detergent]

If a game is designed around WASD, then yes, it can be good.
PoE2 is in fact designed around joystick and WASD.

PoE1 is NOT designed around it. You basically just limit yourself to 8 directions of movement for no good reason when added to PoE1.

Rest of your post just doesn't match reality. Nobody is asking for less freedom of building.

[Firmament]

I'm not sure if this was something players specifically asked for, but in version 2.0, many skills and passives have already been nerfed.

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3740562

[Incunabulum]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Ichiritzu:

until GGG gives it to them.

One of the examples is WASD back when there was only PoE 1. There were so many outside people asking for WASD, but they kept getting downvoted and saying they don't want it.

Now that WASD is on PoE 2, suddenly you guys like it?

And now there's the issue with player choice, and freedom of building. PoE was praised for having this. Now that PoE 2 or GGG is against it, now you guys agree with that? Have so many restrictions and tedious gameplay is now fun?

You all get mad at people for wanting what made PoE 1 so popular to no longer exist? All because GGG thinks this is what's better? Look at the player count, apparently they know what they are doing. And you just take it up the butt like a good boy.

Why are you against having a fun game? Why can't we have fun, unique, and interesting builds in PoE 2? Why do we have to be boring like you?

I tried WASD - and went back to m&KB.

The only people who wanted WASD are console-babies.

POE2 isn't constraining build diversity and neither does POE have any particular support for it. POE is *notorious* for people whining that they can only successfully play the game if they make one of the pre-made builds that someone spent a hundred hours datamining and theorycrafting to make.

If you want what made POE popular - then go play POE. Why do you insist that POE2 has to be just like POE? I get you might not like POE2 and that's fine. Then go play POE, stop whining POE2 isn't POE.

[Incunabulum]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Firmament:

I'm not sure if this was something players specifically asked for, but in version 2.0, many skills and passives have already been nerfed.

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3740562

No one asked for that (not even those of use who like POE2) but the 'vision' of the game is one where you can't ROFLSTOMP across the map and through bosses and those skills and passives allowed players to be able to do that, hence the nerf.

The game is intended to be slower and require more active work by the player - POE's game is largely in the building of the character, trash mobs are mostly time-wasters, and you test your builds out in the boss arenas where its largely a one-key fight where you use a ranged skill to take a boss down in 5 seconds and dodging invulnerability phases.

In this game, even if you have layered defenses you will still be one/two-shot if you don't actively move around, need to know when to press an attack on a boss and when to back off for a while, and white mobs are supposed to present some danger as you move from boss to boss.

This isn't for everyone - as we can see by all the threads whining that they can't kill everything quick like in Diablo 4.

[Detergent]

Nobody asked for nerfs? They most certainly did.
https://steamcommunity.com/app/2694490/discussions/0/598517735210623039/

Simple search and you will see the forums was littered with posts complaining about OP builds in 0.1.0.
Much like people now are complaining about Lightning Spear.
Spoiler: Lightning Spear and a few other skills will be getting nerfed in 0.3.0.

[Bob Gnarly]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Incunabulum:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Ichiritzu:

until GGG gives it to them.

One of the examples is WASD back when there was only PoE 1. There were so many outside people asking for WASD, but they kept getting downvoted and saying they don't want it.

Now that WASD is on PoE 2, suddenly you guys like it?

And now there's the issue with player choice, and freedom of building. PoE was praised for having this. Now that PoE 2 or GGG is against it, now you guys agree with that? Have so many restrictions and tedious gameplay is now fun?

You all get mad at people for wanting what made PoE 1 so popular to no longer exist? All because GGG thinks this is what's better? Look at the player count, apparently they know what they are doing. And you just take it up the butt like a good boy.

Why are you against having a fun game? Why can't we have fun, unique, and interesting builds in PoE 2? Why do we have to be boring like you?

I tried WASD - and went back to m&KB.

The only people who wanted WASD are console-babies.

Why would a console baby want WASD? If they're a console baby, they would use a controller.

Real men from the PC master race use WSAD. Imagine moving with your mouse, ewww.

[Incunabulum]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Bob Gnarly:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Incunabulum:

I tried WASD - and went back to m&KB.

The only people who wanted WASD are console-babies.

Why would a console baby want WASD? If they're a console baby, they would use a controller.

Real men from the PC master race use WSAD. Imagine moving with your mouse, ewww.

They use a controller - WASD mimics twin-stick shooters.

[Firmament]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Detergent:

Nobody asked for nerfs? They most certainly did.
https://steamcommunity.com/app/2694490/discussions/0/598517735210623039/

Simple search and you will see the forums was littered with posts complaining about OP builds in 0.1.0.
Much like people now are complaining about Lightning Spear.
Spoiler: Lightning Spear and a few other skills will be getting nerfed in 0.3.0.

Hi there, I took some time to look into the topic you mentioned.

While it's true that some players did request nerfs back in version 0.1.0, saying "the forums were littered with posts complaining about OP builds" might be an overstatement. There are currently around 1,064 discussion threads in total. I went through about 500 of them, and I found that posts specifically demanding nerfs were quite rare—probably fewer than 5 threads.

Also, the thread you linked has around 60 comments. Opinions there are quite divided—some support nerfs, others clearly do not. So using that as evidence of a widespread demand may not be entirely accurate.

As for "people now are complaining about Lightning Spear", I can’t tell how many are genuinely upset. But based on GGG’s official stats here: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3777214, 23.78% of players chose Amazon, and 10.12% chose Deadeye. I’m not sure how many Deadeyes are actually using Lightning Spear, but I do know that it's particularly strong when used with that class.

All I'm hoping for is a fair and fact-based discussion. Exaggerating things can hurt one’s credibility, and it doesn’t help the community to form balanced opinions. Let’s respect the data and each other’s perspectives.

Thanks for your understanding!

[Banana]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Firmament:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Detergent:

Nobody asked for nerfs? They most certainly did.
https://steamcommunity.com/app/2694490/discussions/0/598517735210623039/

Simple search and you will see the forums was littered with posts complaining about OP builds in 0.1.0.
Much like people now are complaining about Lightning Spear.
Spoiler: Lightning Spear and a few other skills will be getting nerfed in 0.3.0.

I understand your point, but after reading through your comment and doing some of my own research, I’d like to offer a different perspective.

You mentioned that the forums were “littered with posts” asking for nerfs in version 0.1.0. I went through 500 out of the 1,064 discussion threads currently available, and found fewer than five threads specifically focused on asking for nerfs. While I haven’t read all 1,064 threads, based on my partial review, I’d say it’s a bit of an exaggeration to claim the forum was full of such posts.

Regarding the thread you linked (https://steamcommunity.com/app/2694490/discussions/0/598517735210623039/), I noticed it has around 60 comments, with opinions split between supporting and opposing nerfs. So while some players did ask for changes, it doesn’t seem like there was a clear consensus.

As for Lightning Spear, I’m not sure exactly how many people are complaining about it. However, based on the data from GGG’s official forum (https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3777214), 23.78% of players picked Amazon and 10.12% picked Deadeye. I can’t say for sure how many Deadeye players use Lightning Spear, but I do know that the skill is even stronger when combined with the Deadeye class.

I’m not trying to argue for or against any balance changes, but I think it’s important that we all try to represent facts accurately. Exaggerating claims can unintentionally mislead others and may harm one’s credibility over time.

Let’s all continue discussing the game in a constructive and respectful way — after all, that’s how the community improves.

"As for Lightning Spear, I’m not sure exactly how many people are complaining about it. However, based on the data from GGG’s official forum "
Dude, it seem you doesnt play this game much and read what people type in global chat, almost EVERYONE are using lighting spear and almost EVERYONE talks how OP it is and their grandmother are using lighting spear.
Do you know if you go co op, almost more than 90% chance players are using lighting spear??
If you only JUST look at data and search engine, but never play a lot co op and real game and see global chat and get the data yourself, you are going nowhere, and of course, your "meta build playstyle biased " doenst help you either, because all your argument is always focus on and want this game please meta build players base, you are never neutral.

[GL-Marika B]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Ichiritzu:

until GGG gives it to them.

One of the examples is WASD back when there was only PoE 1. There were so many outside people asking for WASD, but they kept getting downvoted and saying they don't want it.

Now that WASD is on PoE 2, suddenly you guys like it?

And now there's the issue with player choice, and freedom of building. PoE was praised for having this. Now that PoE 2 or GGG is against it, now you guys agree with that? Have so many restrictions and tedious gameplay is now fun?

You all get mad at people for wanting what made PoE 1 so popular to no longer exist? All because GGG thinks this is what's better? Look at the player count, apparently they know what they are doing. And you just take it up the butt like a good boy.

Why are you against having a fun game? Why can't we have fun, unique, and interesting builds in PoE 2? Why do we have to be boring like you?

I'm not so sure there is any single POE community. We seem to be factioned. I agree with you, though. The game being fun is subjective, but I don't enjoy it in it's current state. Your post reminds me of this truth: Those who have criticized POE2 cared more about it than those who defended it. Whether or not the devs realize this is anyone's guess. We aren't bored, mad, or otherwise walking away because we don't care, but because we know the devs could do better. The appeasers, the defenders are the one's who have settled for less.

[SoulessOne]

Oprindeligt skrevet af GL-Marika B:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Ichiritzu:

until GGG gives it to them.

One of the examples is WASD back when there was only PoE 1. There were so many outside people asking for WASD, but they kept getting downvoted and saying they don't want it.

Now that WASD is on PoE 2, suddenly you guys like it?

And now there's the issue with player choice, and freedom of building. PoE was praised for having this. Now that PoE 2 or GGG is against it, now you guys agree with that? Have so many restrictions and tedious gameplay is now fun?

You all get mad at people for wanting what made PoE 1 so popular to no longer exist? All because GGG thinks this is what's better? Look at the player count, apparently they know what they are doing. And you just take it up the butt like a good boy.

Why are you against having a fun game? Why can't we have fun, unique, and interesting builds in PoE 2? Why do we have to be boring like you?

I'm not so sure there is any single POE community. We seem to be factioned. I agree with you, though. The game being fun is subjective, but I don't enjoy it in it's current state. Your post reminds me of this truth: Those who have criticized POE2 cared more about it than those who defended it. Whether or not the devs realize this is anyone's guess. We aren't bored, mad, or otherwise walking away because we don't care, but because we know the devs could do better. The appeasers, the defenders are the one's who have settled for less.

Lmao a light of truth finaly, well said my brother well said. I cant even stop coming back here to adjusts some coments etc. POE2 was everything to me and dev took it away from me since 0.2. i tried to hang on to what ever i could remake, but after 1k hours and more of respecting in vein, seing my twisters dont even land on bosses, and a movement speed skill that cant even be spammed propreley, IAM OUT. Replacing my 4 month of hard work gemling with ur crap vision is not it here, i respect myself more then my addiction for poe2 but it took me a while to realize that. Devs are taking us for a boat ride since poe1=( its a nightmare having them control poe2 atm i want them gone and 0.2 reinstated, as for what i paid for, Not the rest i never paid for, asked for, or wanted, i mean who downgrades top gameplay never seens in 20 years?!!!!??? WOrse, all got patched yes, after they took my 50$, insane

[Firmament]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Banana:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Firmament:

I understand your point, but after reading through your comment and doing some of my own research, I’d like to offer a different perspective.

You mentioned that the forums were “littered with posts” asking for nerfs in version 0.1.0. I went through 500 out of the 1,064 discussion threads currently available, and found fewer than five threads specifically focused on asking for nerfs. While I haven’t read all 1,064 threads, based on my partial review, I’d say it’s a bit of an exaggeration to claim the forum was full of such posts.

Regarding the thread you linked (https://steamcommunity.com/app/2694490/discussions/0/598517735210623039/), I noticed it has around 60 comments, with opinions split between supporting and opposing nerfs. So while some players did ask for changes, it doesn’t seem like there was a clear consensus.

As for Lightning Spear, I’m not sure exactly how many people are complaining about it. However, based on the data from GGG’s official forum (https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3777214), 23.78% of players picked Amazon and 10.12% picked Deadeye. I can’t say for sure how many Deadeye players use Lightning Spear, but I do know that the skill is even stronger when combined with the Deadeye class.

I’m not trying to argue for or against any balance changes, but I think it’s important that we all try to represent facts accurately. Exaggerating claims can unintentionally mislead others and may harm one’s credibility over time.

Let’s all continue discussing the game in a constructive and respectful way — after all, that’s how the community improves.

"As for Lightning Spear, I’m not sure exactly how many people are complaining about it. However, based on the data from GGG’s official forum "
Dude, it seem you doesnt play this game much and read what people type in global chat, almost EVERYONE are using lighting spear and almost EVERYONE talks how OP it is and their grandmother are using lighting spear.
Do you know if you go co op, almost more than 90% chance players are using lighting spear??
If you only JUST look at data and search engine, but never play a lot co op and real game and see global chat and get the data yourself, you are going nowhere, and of course, your "meta build playstyle biased " doenst help you either, because all your argument is always focus on and want this game please meta build players base, you are never neutral.

Thanks for your reply.

However, I believe that without referencing objective data, it's difficult to accurately estimate how many players are actually using Lightning Spear. Relying purely on personal impressions or what's being said in global chat isn't a reliable way to assess trends—especially considering that Path of Exile 2 has multiple global chat channels, and a regular player can only be in one channel at a time. This means no single person can know what’s being said across all global chats. So statements like “everyone is using it and talking about it” are anecdotal at best.

You mentioned that “almost everyone” is using Lightning Spear and that it shows up in 90% of co-op games. While I don’t doubt its popularity, GGG’s own class usage data shows that 23.78% of players picked Amazon and 10.12% picked Deadeye. That’s notable, but far from proof that the entire player base is dominated by one build. If you have more specific data or observations, I’d be glad to see it—I just believe that personal experience should be supported with evidence, not replace it.

Regarding the idea that I'm biased toward meta builds: I’m happy to let others judge whether I’ve been objective by reviewing what I’ve posted. I do enjoy playing strong builds, sure—but since this game doesn’t have PvP, my choice of build doesn’t affect your gameplay experience. Likewise, your preference for non-meta builds doesn’t affect mine. There’s no conflict between us in that regard—we're all free to enjoy the game our own way.

Let’s focus on constructive discussion and stay grounded in facts. I genuinely appreciate your perspective.

I’ll leave you with a small question to consider:
If many people choose to play strong or popular builds, why try to stop them? Does their enjoyment of something you don't prefer really diminish your own?

[Banana]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Firmament:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Banana:

"As for Lightning Spear, I’m not sure exactly how many people are complaining about it. However, based on the data from GGG’s official forum "
Dude, it seem you doesnt play this game much and read what people type in global chat, almost EVERYONE are using lighting spear and almost EVERYONE talks how OP it is and their grandmother are using lighting spear.
Do you know if you go co op, almost more than 90% chance players are using lighting spear??
If you only JUST look at data and search engine, but never play a lot co op and real game and see global chat and get the data yourself, you are going nowhere, and of course, your "meta build playstyle biased " doenst help you either, because all your argument is always focus on and want this game please meta build players base, you are never neutral.

Thanks for your reply.

However, I believe that without referencing objective data, it's difficult to accurately estimate how many players are actually using Lightning Spear. Relying purely on personal impressions or what's being said in global chat isn't a reliable way to assess trends—especially considering that Path of Exile 2 has multiple global chat channels, and a regular player can only be in one channel at a time. This means no single person can know what’s being said across all global chats. So statements like “everyone is using it and talking about it” are anecdotal at best.

You mentioned that “almost everyone” is using Lightning Spear and that it shows up in 90% of co-op games. While I don’t doubt its popularity, GGG’s own class usage data shows that 23.78% of players picked Amazon and 10.12% picked Deadeye. That’s notable, but far from proof that the entire player base is dominated by one build. If you have more specific data or observations, I’d be glad to see it—I just believe that personal experience should be supported with evidence, not replace it.

Regarding the idea that I'm biased toward meta builds: I’m happy to let others judge whether I’ve been objective by reviewing what I’ve posted. I do enjoy playing strong builds, sure—but since this game doesn’t have PvP, my choice of build doesn’t affect your gameplay experience. Likewise, your preference for non-meta builds doesn’t affect mine. There’s no conflict between us in that regard—we're all free to enjoy the game our own way.

Let’s focus on constructive discussion and stay grounded in facts. I genuinely appreciate your perspective.

I’ll leave you with a small question to consider:
If many people choose to play strong or popular builds, why try to stop them? Does their enjoyment of something you don't prefer really diminish your own?

See, that's your problem, you are not only lack of experiences in this game, but on every games as well, also, you can't see big pic and only focus on that data but can't read behind the data.
Do you know lighting spear is not strictly on a class? All those deadeyes, blood mage and Amazon ARE using lighting spear, if you don't just look at data but actually play this game and co op and real global chat yourself, you would know that easily. "I look at the data and % use Amazon", a data without reality and knowledge, just a dead data, a numbers.
And also, I highly suspect you don't even understand what's make lighting spear op in the first place