Fix Artillery Ballista

[TI 4 Pootis]

how bout we fix that Artillery Ballista hits do not count towards any cast on ignite / trinity or banner % or valor gain which means u can't really pair much with the skill and kind of kills the ascendancy of tactician which i would assume is to pair skills with a bunch of persistant skills.

[Dwane Dibbley]

Theres nothing to fix. If you are not igniting, you shouldnt get cast on ignite energy, its simple.

[TI 4 Pootis]

but i am igniting tho ?`also to get valor for banners why shouldn't that work aswell ?

[TI 4 Pootis]

Originally posted by Dwane Dibbley:

Theres nothing to fix. If you are not igniting, you shouldnt get cast on ignite energy, its simple.

You should go test before assuming it does not ignite, skill even has ignite duration listed under artillery, and explosion does fire damage which ignites.

[DirtyMick]

Originally posted by TI 4 Pootis:

Originally posted by Dwane Dibbley:

Theres nothing to fix. If you are not igniting, you shouldnt get cast on ignite energy, its simple.

You should go test before assuming it does not ignite, skill even has ignite duration listed under artillery, and explosion does fire damage which ignites.

He's saying YOU are not igniting. The ballista is doing the igniting. Not saying i agree that you shouldnt get energy from it, just pointing out that that's what he means.

[TI 4 Pootis]

Originally posted by DirtyMick:

Originally posted by TI 4 Pootis:

You should go test before assuming it does not ignite, skill even has ignite duration listed under artillery, and explosion does fire damage which ignites.

He's saying YOU are not igniting. The ballista is doing the igniting. Not saying i agree that you shouldnt get energy from it, just pointing out that that's what he means.

oh i see okay, yea well that is the issue for me i think ballista damage should gather energy and valor towards the skills because when you try to scale ballista / totem damage your other ability damage usually suffers alot so its not the easiest to then gather energy or valor from other attacks.

[Drake]

Originally posted by TI 4 Pootis:

Originally posted by DirtyMick:

He's saying YOU are not igniting. The ballista is doing the igniting. Not saying i agree that you shouldnt get energy from it, just pointing out that that's what he means.

oh i see okay, yea well that is the issue for me i think ballista damage should gather energy and valor towards the skills because when you try to scale ballista / totem damage your other ability damage usually suffers alot so its not the easiest to then gather energy or valor from other attacks.

It's been like that since the beginning of POE 1. There is nothing to fix, they were created for this exact reason.

Totems are proxy, they use your skills (that's why they gain "your" stats, it's because the ballista skills are your skills, but the totem is casting it instead of you), but they are a different creature than you (kind of like minions, except they are not minions), so they trigger stuff for themselves.

That's why when a totem uses a skill or support that generate charges, they get the charges, not you. It's the same for cast on ignite, if they were subject to it they would generate it for themselves. So if you had an effect that would say for example "your totem cast supported spells on ignite", then when the totem ignites, then they would trigger the effect themselves (not you).

This is a very important mechanic to understand when using totems because it allows certain builds to work that wouldn't otherwise.