Help me understand the hate

[Bifinho d'Atum]

I'm honestly curious to know why and from where is all the hate coming? Summarize it for me please.

I had a lvl 95 Spark Archmage (with 200k dps) last league and yes, is useless now, even so that i deleted the char. Didn't complaint even once, it was in fact OP and anti-fun at some point.

Is the game hard now? Easier? Cause tbh im killing bosses way faster now (maybe we all know the game core at this point).

But whats the real problem with the new patch? The Nerfs? The slow pace?

We got a new league wich means a new economy wich for me is one of the worst things about the game alongside with the "crafting" system, but nothing that an auction house can't resolve if GGG are willing to do that.
New mechanics, class (wich i tried and hate), gems, bosses, thigns to do, etc.

So yeah...

Not here to farming points. Im genuinely curious to that what's REALLY happening.

Thanks

[MentalEmpty]

New economic is good thing, its refreshing the gameplay but the balance, new balance things is awfull, its disgusting expereance.

[ZeroOne]

I go to work to get money .... I dont pay to work .... this game feels like a bad job.

[Hiroko]

Publicado originalmente por Bifinho d'Atum:

Is the game hard now? Easier?

Harder, but not by much really. We do just know the game better.

Publicado originalmente por Bifinho d'Atum:

But whats the real problem with the new patch? The Nerfs? The slow pace?

The 0.5s delay to tell minions where to go.
The 50% expired curse time requirement.
Monster speed is still glued to your face for 99% of monster types at white rarity.
Doors still required manually clicking to open.
Things like these. The actual damage nerfs were mostly well deserved and livable. The functionality nerfs were soul crushing.

Publicado originalmente por Bifinho d'Atum:

why and from where is all the hate coming? Summarize it for me please.

Terrible players that think they are 'gamers' and actual gamers that hate certain functionality stuff. A lot of people are starting huntress (spears, but also as the class) and haven't figured out any of the combos that trivialize campaign starting as early as about lvl 7. Spears skills would be a great contender for those races that warriors dominated. tl:dr if people aren't handed power with zero effort, they throw tantrums.

[Midra, Lord of Frenzied Flame]

Casual andys can't copy some build and press one button to full clear the entire screen. Now they are rioting, fuming hate and trying to review bomb the game. Childish "tourist" trying to change the game just to abandon it when the next flashy game comes out. Pathetic.

[Rager]

Publicado originalmente por Midra, Lord of Frenzied Flame:

Casual andys can't copy some build and press one button to full clear the entire screen. Now they are rioting, fuming hate and trying to review bomb the game. Childish "tourist" trying to change the game just to abandon it when the next flashy game comes out. Pathetic.

I mean even if you could do that. The game is so boring and tedious that people still would not have fun with the game.

POE 1 button skills is more fun than the 4+ skills you use in this game. At least that one button has impact.

[Midra, Lord of Frenzied Flame]

Publicado originalmente por Rager:

Publicado originalmente por Midra, Lord of Frenzied Flame:

Casual andys can't copy some build and press one button to full clear the entire screen. Now they are rioting, fuming hate and trying to review bomb the game. Childish "tourist" trying to change the game just to abandon it when the next flashy game comes out. Pathetic.

I mean even if you could do that. The game is so boring and tedious that people still would not have fun with the game.

POE 1 button skills is more fun than the 4+ skills you use in this game. At least that one button has impact.

Skill issue, build issue. Get better or crawl back to D4/LE.

[Rager]

Publicado originalmente por Midra, Lord of Frenzied Flame:

Publicado originalmente por Rager:

I mean even if you could do that. The game is so boring and tedious that people still would not have fun with the game.

POE 1 button skills is more fun than the 4+ skills you use in this game. At least that one button has impact.

Skill issue, build issue. Get better or crawl back to D4/LE.

I am at maps. It was boring. I am better than you also. Your betters are telling you this game is trash right now. You can listen to them, or not. Your choice.

You know the game is in a bad state when ds lily is saying this game is the worse she played yet.

[Midra, Lord of Frenzied Flame]

Publicado originalmente por Rager:

Publicado originalmente por Midra, Lord of Frenzied Flame:

Skill issue, build issue. Get better or crawl back to D4/LE.

I am at maps. It was boring. I am better than you also. Your betters are telling you this game is trash right now. You can listen to them, or not. Your choice.

You know the game is in a bad state when ds lily is saying this game is the worse she played yet.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAAA
"I am at maps. It was boring. I am better than you also."
1. you are not at maps Mr Private Profile. Link your POE account right now so we can fact check it.
2. you are little lying kid, why should anyone listen to you or your opinion?

[Rager]

Publicado originalmente por Midra, Lord of Frenzied Flame:

Publicado originalmente por Rager:

I am at maps. It was boring. I am better than you also. Your betters are telling you this game is trash right now. You can listen to them, or not. Your choice.

You know the game is in a bad state when ds lily is saying this game is the worse she played yet.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAAA
"I am at maps. It was boring. I am better than you also."
1. you are not at maps Mr Private Profile. Link your POE account right now so we can fact check it.
2. you are little lying kid, why should anyone listen to you or your opinion?

Even if I showed you. You would hide like the little peon you are.

As I said.

Ziz, Raxx, Ds_lilly Even Quinn69 have all said that this is the worse state the game has been in, it is not fun and tedious. yet some how people who are better than you are wrong?

You are just making yourself look bad. Go away.

[Midra, Lord of Frenzied Flame]

Publicado originalmente por Rager:

Publicado originalmente por Midra, Lord of Frenzied Flame:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAAA
"I am at maps. It was boring. I am better than you also."
1. you are not at maps Mr Private Profile. Link your POE account right now so we can fact check it.
2. you are little lying kid, why should anyone listen to you or your opinion?

Even if I showed you. You will just go ditch anyway.

As I said.

Ziz, Raxx, Ds_lilly Even Quinn69 have all said that this is the worse state the game has been in, it is not fun and tedious. yet some how people who are better than you are wrong?

You are just making yourself look bad. Go away.

My favorite streamers said so, so it must be true LOL.

I'm not going anywhere, link your POE account so we can check which of ur character is at maps.

But you won't link it bc you are a little lying kid. NO ONE is taking you seriously lil bro

[Rager]

Ah the classic deflect.

You see, it does not matter if they are streamers or not. They are better than us because they play it more. They understand the game better than you, and know the ends and outs of the game.


if you can't even accept something that simple. You need to grow up. Myself and others are better than you and know more about this game. It is fine kiddo.

[Solofreelancer]

Publicado originalmente por Rager:

I will explain why it is trash.

We can't roll through enemies still.
They slowed the game down even more to the point of being tedious.
They did not shorten the maps at all.


The pacing is bad, the combat feels unrewarding along with the drops, and the best part? It is tedious boring


I mean just look at Armor, they act like they don't know wtf to do with it when we all know it is trash.

the dodge roll has a unique pair of boots to allow dodge roll to phase through enemies which is stupid it should already be a thing. The slower pace it's fallen under the guise of "methodical" and "tactical" when in reality you're just using basic skills to avoid monster/boss attacks, I'm sorry rolling several times then attacking is not tactical you can't convince me otherwise there are better ways to make combat engaging than "use A skill then damage skill rinse/repeat ad nauseum." The maps will never be shortened otherwise the checkpoints and coding they put into them will have less value and prove the maps are badly designed, and we all know GGG doesn't want that. There's just problems all around it sucks.

[Midra, Lord of Frenzied Flame]

Publicado originalmente por Rager:

Ah the classic deflect.

You see, it does not matter if they are streamers or not. They are better than us because they play it more. They understand the game better than you, and know the ends and outs of the game.


if you can't even accept something that simple. You need to grow up. Myself and others are better than you and know more about this game. It is fine kiddo.

You are not better at linking me your account. Until that happens, anything you write is a lie. Link it, we are waiting.


Funny, you accuse me of "deflect", but you are the one pointing at streamers and trying to insult me and put me down instead of linking your so called account which got a char on maps. This is textbook definition of deflect lil pup.
No one is taking you seriously lil bro.

[Naamtar]

Anyone spewing actual hate/vitriol is just your standard unhinged perpetually online gamer.

People are critical of the game because they've done just about everything possible to strip away player efficacy in order to draw out the game. It's the antithesis to the ARPG genre....it's really the antithesis to gaming period, it's not fun or engaging, it's drawn out and slow in all the wrong ways.

They've turned the game into a tedious slog for no good reason. Not more difficult, just tedious.

Nothing about the combat in this game warrants the new time to kill, slowed down movement speeds, etc. - it is not engaging enough to remain fun for most players. It's just doing the same thing we were doing before, but it takes longer and the rewards are less.

There is no power creep. You do not feel any kind of gains off new levels and gear. It's just this linear "this is all taking so long" grind.

A lot of the stuff they've introduced to the game is just flat out not viable in maps, and a lot of people struggled through the campaign only to discover this, with no way out due to the cost of a respec and slog to grind out new gear.

It's just...bad...tedious, uninspired, needlessly punishing...bad...

You can't try and have methodical, difficult combat while building the end game around grinding the same content over and over again for incremental upgrades and having packs of mobs that do unavoidable damage in numbers so great that the mechanics you're implementing to try and make that combat feel slow and methodical are totally negated by them...they're going in the opposite direction of how they should, the game needs a complete rework of mob density and how they interact with the player and the character itself needs more engaging core mechanics if this is the route they want to go.

[Nightsbane]

What's hard to understand about the game not being fun and the nerfs being overkill ? Minion build getting gutted is a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ crime