Dawn of the Truth and why PoE2 continues to suck

[Clyan]

The real reason this patch failed is not because the game got harder or because things got nerfed - this happens in other games aswell - but because they ignored crucial feedback from the previous iteration.

It was already prevalent how boring the core gameplay is and we gave feedback regarding this. Yet they just doubled down on it and made it worse.

So let me reiiterate.

Speed = Power
Arpgs are not meant to be slow. You dont do the whole gear and passive tree progression only to find out that it doesnt make a difference. Arpgs are meant to make you stronger and faster with each step. The typical argp player wants to feel his character become better and better until even the gods pee their pants, that's the whole schtick of this genre.
This is the main reason why in every arpg you literally fight the gods of its world.

No loot = no arpg
The second cornerstone of arpgs is loot. And poe2s loot is gutted because the devs get a hard on thinking about ruthless, even tho its playerbase is so astronomically small you start to wonder how they went in thinking it would be a great idea to create a game around that mode.
Loot must be abundant. Gear progression must occur. This is not a hack n slash title.

Methodical gameplay = piano gameplay
Generally speaking all inherent skills to character or items in arpgs are an abomination. Especially dodge roll. There's not a single arpg title with dodge roll out there that managed to create a strong and robust community around it. Why? Because it means each encounter has to be treated like a puzzle. And boy, does it get tedious fast.
The puzzle part belongs in the build creation section, not in the gameplay.

Of course all the bots and fanboys will call you out for being a lazy one button monkey, as if being forced to constantly reproduce the same dull combos is some sort of virtue lifting you up to a new realm of aristocracy, completely ignoring the fact that the real aristocrats occupy themself only with the fun aspects of life while leaving the boring and dirty work to the plebs. Just dont listen to them.

No crafting = No PoE
It's easy guys, unless they verbally mention how you can reroll your items with scour orbs or alteration orbs, they havent really changed crafting in any meaningful way. They might promise you a billion new crafting options - it means nothing, just marketing.
The PoE franchise is characterized by two things: Build complexity and complex crafting. The old fanbase will not tolerate an incision of this duality. Otherwise youll depend on casuals and we all know where the problem with casuals lies: The second a new triple A title is announced they will board the hype train and leave this game a dead corpse. Just wait and see what happens once TQ2 gets a release date.

Trial of Sekhema / Trial of Chaos = Low playercount
Trials are a miscarriage. Everyone from the noobiest casual to the upper eschelon of basement dwelling godgamer hates these. No matter how much content they add, once you reach the point where you have to do them playercount will drop immediately. Most unfun retarded trash they ever came up with, and yes, I did all of them; they suck.

You cannot reinvent the wheel
Look at all the classics, D1, D2, PoE1, Grim Dawn, Titan Quest and so on. They all were hugely successful, because they stayed true to the formula.
Now look at D4, LE, Wolcen, Lost Ark... these games all try to be different and new wavey; people tried to defend them because they were hurt in their anal canal, just like here; nowadays they only play them out of spite or because they feel lost. Just read the forums, those are the arpgs you play when you get sick of the one you actually wanted to play.

This is what happens when a true visionary leaves the company and some self indulged hipster takes over: You give birth to a massive turd, reality sets in, and long before you realize it you already have eaten your own rancid sausage.

No matter what follows, unless these things get changed, it wont be worth fireing up this game. Good luck out there

[Nefser]

This is essentially 'your' personal definition of ARPG. What you've stated is only a single, biased view of it.

The devs are building their vision of it, which seems to differ to yours, and now you're not happy.

[khazad_doom]

no.

[Clyan]

Originally posted by Nefser:

This is essentially 'your' personal definition of ARPG. What you've stated is only a single, biased view of it.

The devs are building their vision of it, which seems to differ to yours, and now you're not happy.

It's not a "personal" definition. things have meaning because they are what they mean. this is the big mistake of our time, that we think you cannot define what things are. like a woman. or a man. it's the stupidity and the downfall of the age of enlightenment.

[patrick✰]

Agreed with all.

[VillianByNecessity]

Yeah, no. All of the grandfather ARPG's all were slow. So from that point on I knew you had 0 clue of what you were talking about.

[Devo]

Originally posted by Nefser:

This is essentially 'your' personal definition of ARPG. What you've stated is only a single, biased view of it.

The devs are building their vision of it, which seems to differ to yours, and now you're not happy.

Most people are not happy . If devs vision with so bad that most people hate it , then they need to change it or the game dies.

[Clyan]

Originally posted by UsuallyLost:

Yeah, no. All of the grandfather ARPG's all were slow. So from that point on I knew you had 0 clue of what you were talking about.

You clearly never reached endgame on those titles, clearing screens by almost doing nothing, never slowing down, steamrolling everything.

[Chiryuu]

Let's be honest, your post has been generated by GPT, coul you write it in your own words instead?
And why do you think PoE2 is not best game ever?

[Spider]

Originally posted by Dizentegrator:

The fun fact, through the no refund scam they actually get their money and they actually don't care about what ppl say cuz even if this ♥♥♥♥ goes down to 3k players - ggg already got their money. But agree with every word said. The only hope is that LE will receive the message and not make a nerf fest without content and with intention to "slow down" the gameplay in season 2.

I'd rather play Wolcen than LE. LE is the most generic feeling and looking ARPG I think I've ever played, aside from one 20 years ago called Hand of God (that one was exceptionally terrible.) LE is pretty much everything I dislike about all the other ARPGs rolled into one game. It's hot garbage. I'm not even enjoying PoE2 currently, but it's still MUCH better than LE.

[^7ja^1co]

Originally posted by Dizentegrator:

The fun fact, through the no refund scam they actually get their money and they actually don't care about what ppl say cuz even if this ♥♥♥♥ goes down to 3k players - ggg already got their money. But agree with every word said. The only hope is that LE will receive the message and not make a nerf fest without content and with intention to "slow down" the gameplay in season 2.

watch this space, I requested refund and it seems they will grant it despite 100+ hours

[Tuzki]

hp mp leech is still ♥♥♥♥.

[AFC_HIGHBURY]

1. true
2. true
3.dont think there is anything wrong with being slow, its that the combat style doesnt match up with the amount of ads, you cant have methodical gameplay with alot of them charging at you, the challenge somewhat feels artificial.
4. wouldnt even think about crafting if ground loot was actually good, it isnt. they needed to address this before now the loot just feels more watered down.
5.true
6. you absolutely can reinvent, no rest for the wicked is evident of this. difference is they knew what makes a methodical game work. go back to 3.

i do feel alot of the issues people have would be sorted if they game actually gave you better loot progression. there's a disconnect.

[Vexorg]

I agree with everything.

Grimdawn nailed the fun factor. I wish GGG would learn from them.

[CymTyr]

Well most of your chatgpt points are accurate, however, the best arpgs don't have loot explosions every time you kill a normal mob.

For the arpg genre, less loot is typically better, based on historical norms and precedents.

[Clyan]

Originally posted by CymTyr:

Well most of your chatgpt points are accurate, however, the best arpgs don't have loot explosions every time you kill a normal mob.

For the arpg genre, less loot is typically better, based on historical norms and precedents.

Unlike some of you i was taught how to write and express myself without what the clueless calls "AI". English isnt even my first language, but luckily i have a functioning brain and still can learn something new every day.