Uncut gems suck.

[󠀡󠀡 󠀡󠀡]

950hour Poe2.
30 hour Poe1

Ithink the gem system and RNG with the gems is alot more fun in poe1. esp with the divine altars etc..
poe2 on the other hand leveling the gems is tedious and boring money sink. where is my RNG with what gem i find and what i can upgrade/craft it into. Having the full list available with an uncut gem removes all the fun with leveling gems. poe2 feels alot more like ur depending on these gems (need specific skill to be viable) and they are not fun even to loot

[cAipi_rInHa]

how is leveling gems a money sink when you can`t buy them for money ?
Btw poe 1 is still running, nobody forces you to play poe 2 right ?

[NixBoxDone]

Originally posted by cAipi_rInHa:

how is leveling gems a money sink when you can`t buy them for money ?
Btw poe 1 is still running, nobody forces you to play poe 2 right ?

I think he might mean the gem quality and jeweller orbs and how rare they are - getting those for your build is one of the more expensive "mandatory" upgrades unless you get lucky.

In PoE 1 they just level up and enough quality gems drop that you can vendor recipe all of your skill and support gems to level 20 and 20 % quality relatively quickly.
Since they level on their own, you always eventually reach level 20, too.

In PoE 2 you need level 20 uncut skill gems that only drop on map tiers that quite a few beginner builds simply cannot run, so you need to buy them to max them out.
You also don't get quality skill gems to vendor for gemcutter's prisms, so you either need to grind til you find them or, more likely, buy them once you get enough currency.
Same goes for jeweller's orbs. Low drop rates, my first dropped when my character was level 85.
Without them you simply cannot get a six-link and they're so rare that they go for as much currency as a lot of PoE 1 characters need for the entire equipment to be end-game viable, whereas in PoE 1 you have a bunch of decently quick ways to farm them and a bog-standard normal rarity or mediocre corrupted body armor with 6 links was relatively affordable.

I do believe this is on purpose, mind, just outlining the change.

[Gargoyle]

Originally posted by 󠀡󠀡 󠀡󠀡:

950hour Poe2.
30 hour Poe1

Ithink the gem system and RNG with the gems is alot more fun in poe1. esp with the divine altars etc..
poe2 on the other hand leveling the gems is tedious and boring money sink. where is my RNG with what gem i find and what i can upgrade/craft it into. Having the full list available with an uncut gem removes all the fun with leveling gems. poe2 feels alot more like ur depending on these gems (need specific skill to be viable) and they are not fun even to loot

If i recall in PoE 1 there is a vendor that sells you almost all the skill gems up to your current level in the library? Not every rng.

[󠀡󠀡 󠀡󠀡]

ohh yeah i didnt notice about the vendors and stuff too much, ty for the heads up.. im a poe2 enjoyer, but playing poe1 to test it, just liked the gem system better in poe1 where i regurarily keep changing my skills while poe2 u tend to stick to one skill gem once u upgraded it.. maybe im judging too soon tho im only 67 in this phracia event first time trying.. if you get them from a vendor tho iguess that sorta invalidates my point,, but atleast u can transform them and do more stuff in poe1 with the gems right??

[Drake]

Poe1 also has vaal gems and awakened support gems as well as different quality effects.

Poe2 is in early access, gem mechanics have a lot of room for evolution.

[Detergent]

I just want to put this out there.
I hate leveling gems in PoE1. I hate the 9 gems you need to click to level up every 30 seconds. I hate that having a build that uses weapon swap causes you to lose money. And I especially hate running temple to double corrupt them.

Not saying PoE2's version is perfect. But I just don't like PoE1 system very much.

[NixBoxDone]

Originally posted by Detergent:

I just want to put this out there.
I hate leveling gems in PoE1. I hate the 9 gems you need to click to level up every 30 seconds. I hate that having a build that uses weapon swap causes you to lose money. And I especially hate running temple to double corrupt them.

Not saying PoE2's version is perfect. But I just don't like PoE1 system very much.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure most people end up simply buying the gems. At least I do. I know how to do it by hand but it's such a hassle that I'd rather play the league content I enjoy, accumulate the currency and buy the gems once they've become the biggest upgrade.

I usually just get them to 20/20 and then corrupt them once if the 21/20 or 20/23 is expensive, then roll with that until I get enough for the BIS version.

[xXBulletJusticeXx]

Originally posted by 󠀡󠀡 󠀡󠀡:

ohh yeah i didnt notice about the vendors and stuff too much, ty for the heads up.. im a poe2 enjoyer, but playing poe1 to test it, just liked the gem system better in poe1 where i regurarily keep changing my skills while poe2 u tend to stick to one skill gem once u upgraded it.. maybe im judging too soon tho im only 67 in this phracia event first time trying.. if you get them from a vendor tho iguess that sorta invalidates my point,, but atleast u can transform them and do more stuff in poe1 with the gems right??

Well, in POE 1 the gems are heavily dependant on the GEAR you have at that moment so they had to make the gems more flexible with fitting/removing and changing up your build as you went along.

while in POE 2 you are not constrained to your gear for gem progression as they are completely independent of your gear. This may be why gems have a much more solid/permanent upgrade scheme than they do in POE 1

[Acronen]

To each their own. I am neutral about the PoE 2 gem skill system. I don't particularly either like or dislike it, it's functional.

PoE 1, however, I despise that skill system. It's the primary reason I can't stand that game.

[Hiroko]

Originally posted by Gargoyle:

If i recall in PoE 1 there is a vendor that sells you almost all the skill gems up to your current level in the library? Not every rng.

2 actually. There is one you can place in your hideout that basically has all the regular npc gem inventories combined, and another in a specific place next to a waypoint that sells a few more, but... alternate quality skill gems cannot be bought from npc's at all, and theres like twice as many of them as regular skill gems. You have to run lab or trade for those.

[DirtyMick]

Originally posted by 󠀡󠀡 󠀡󠀡:

ohh yeah i didnt notice about the vendors and stuff too much, ty for the heads up.. im a poe2 enjoyer, but playing poe1 to test it, just liked the gem system better in poe1 where i regurarily keep changing my skills while poe2 u tend to stick to one skill gem once u upgraded it.. maybe im judging too soon tho im only 67 in this phracia event first time trying.. if you get them from a vendor tho iguess that sorta invalidates my point,, but atleast u can transform them and do more stuff in poe1 with the gems right??

I'm sure you can do more stuff with gems in the 10+ year old game, than in the early access unfinished game, yes.

[Gargoyle]

Originally posted by Hiroko:

Originally posted by Gargoyle:

If i recall in PoE 1 there is a vendor that sells you almost all the skill gems up to your current level in the library? Not every rng.

2 actually. There is one you can place in your hideout that basically has all the regular npc gem inventories combined, and another in a specific place next to a waypoint that sells a few more, but... alternate quality skill gems cannot be bought from npc's at all, and theres like twice as many of them as regular skill gems. You have to run lab or trade for those.

never got around to finishing a run on Poe1, what is a lab?

[Detergent]

Originally posted by Gargoyle:

Originally posted by Hiroko:

2 actually. There is one you can place in your hideout that basically has all the regular npc gem inventories combined, and another in a specific place next to a waypoint that sells a few more, but... alternate quality skill gems cannot be bought from npc's at all, and theres like twice as many of them as regular skill gems. You have to run lab or trade for those.

never got around to finishing a run on Poe1, what is a lab?

The Lord's Labyrinth. The dungeon with traps, gauntlets and puzzles.
You probably ran it but rewarded random item enchants back then.

[Gargoyle]

Originally posted by Detergent:

Originally posted by Gargoyle:

never got around to finishing a run on Poe1, what is a lab?

The Lord's Labyrinth. The dungeon with traps, gauntlets and puzzles.
You probably ran it but rewarded random item enchants back then.

ooh ive done the first ascendancy run.

[Eleveneleven]

It's actually a pretty good movie.