D4 Good POE2 Bad

[Combatron]

Tell me one good thing about POE2 that D4 doesnt do better

[EvilHare]

Publicado originalmente por Alex:

I notice (and maybe others have too. Didnt read the whole thread) but modern CPU's have sleep states where it powers the clock down and this is the reason it stutters in PoE2. Especially in latest Windows 11. Even when i stand still the FPS goes from 70 (locked to 70) and down to 40 and back up again and again and again causing huge stutter, and it happens as the CPU clock goes up and down.

I have power plan set to high performance so that isnt the issue. However i did untick high performance and put it back on, went into the game and the CPU clock stayed at max. Wohoo! Opened the chat to say this in case someone else needed to know and as soon as the chat opened BAM the CPU clock started to fluctuate again and stutter back. Going to test now without touching the chat and see if it stays.

On windows 10 i had no issues. After the upgrade to Win 11 latest (first Win 11 it upgraded to was fine with PoE2. Second upgrade a few days later to latest Win 11 messed PoE2 up).

So i hope the devs look at this issue because its unplayable for A LOT of people. There must be something they can do game side.

I noticed each entry in chat spikes the CPU and stutters my gameplay. To solve this, I had to move to a higher channel where there was no chat traffic.

Muting the channel will not work cause it only blocks it visually and still affects the CPU. command /cls will work but it then comes back with chat entry.

I have not had any stutters since the fix unless the server are under load. FOr that, I just stop playing for about an hour and come back to see is there is less of a load on the servers.

[jvjd]

I got bored with both but poe2 has still some way to go . D4 is finished for me

[Rob⛧Pentakill]

Publicado originalmente por Combatron:

Tell me one good thing about POE2 that D4 doesnt do better

Both games have negatively impacted the genre, but Diablo IV is the bigger offender, charging $70 while adopting GGG's deceptive practices. Blizzard and GGG have reshaped how players perceive and engage with the genre and the gaming industry overall. By placing the most rewarding elements, like cosmetic upgrades and basic functionalities, behind a paywall, players end up spending more than they would in an honest, traditional gaming experience. You pay more for less regardless of which game you play right now. I almost bought Diablo IV's expansion during the sale and was even tempted to buy PoE 2 until I reminded myself that there's no reward for playing these games in their current state.

[xXBulletJusticeXx]

Publicado originalmente por Rob⛧Pentakill:

Publicado originalmente por Combatron:

Tell me one good thing about POE2 that D4 doesnt do better

Both games have negatively impacted the genre, but Diablo IV is the bigger offender, charging $70 while adopting GGG's deceptive practices.

I'll bite.

What deceptive practices? Do you have ANY legitimate claims of deception? Or are you going to go full tin hat with conspiracy theory?

[ughhhhh]

I think the fact that we are even having this conversation while PoE2 is 0.1.1 and D4 is a full release tells us something. How is a one 10th of a game rivalling D4?
Kind of hard to say PoE2 bad right now because it isn't really out. D4 on the other hand...

[metalhead_pjsa]

Publicado originalmente por EvilHare:

Publicado originalmente por metalhead_pjsa:

Do you believe the performance will improve when it gets out EA? Don’t be naive. It will not. Come back here and prove me wrong if they do. Even Poe1 on current gen high end set-up with max-out gfx will tank the performance on “super” juiced maps

yet performance on my low end PC is great. Makes you wonder.

Enjoy EA

Performance on mine is also great (7800x3d, 4070ti 32GB DDR5). Haven't experienced any crashes or whatsoever. But having 165 fps dropping to 60 is atrocious. Good thing though, frametime graph is smooth even with those huge deltas. I don't know what's your preference about "optimization" but, happy for you if you are contented. Goodluck then if they'll able to fix it (which I doubt). As I said, get back here and prove me wrong. I'll be waiting... And I'll also be happy if they do that. One of the greatest game I played which is very close to D2

[Sexcalibur]

Just because POE2 is overwhelmingly disappointing that it measn that D4 suddenly becomes Not Bad lol

POE2 is still eons better than D4

POE2 is like a dude which is Dentist but his brother is a neurosurgeon. And you sound like the mother saying haha because POE2 dont amount as much as POE1 it means POE2 being just a dentist is worse than my son living on wellfare

[Rob⛧Pentakill]

Publicado originalmente por xXBulletJusticeXx:

Publicado originalmente por Rob⛧Pentakill:

Both games have negatively impacted the genre, but Diablo IV is the bigger offender, charging $70 while adopting GGG's deceptive practices.

I'll bite.

What deceptive practices? Do you have ANY legitimate claims of deception? Or are you going to go full tin hat with conspiracy theory?

The illusion of "free-to-play" shatters here. This model is deceptive and has fundamentally changed how players perceive and engage with the genre. By placing the most rewarding elements, like cosmetic upgrades and basic functionalities, behind a paywall, you end up spending more in free-to-play games, desperately seeking the rewards you would typically get in an honest traditional gaming experience. Essentially, you're trying to recover what has been stripped away. With the bar set so low in the free-to-play framework, you'll never genuinely compensate for what's missing.

I don't have to go into much detail about why it's worse for Blizzard to adopt these models into their games. Bottom line, there are three types of people that should never be trusted, and I have a feeling you might check all three boxes: anime enthusiasts, cryptocurrency aficionados, and corporate loyalists.

[xXBulletJusticeXx]

Publicado originalmente por Rob⛧Pentakill:

Publicado originalmente por xXBulletJusticeXx:

I'll bite.

What deceptive practices? Do you have ANY legitimate claims of deception? Or are you going to go full tin hat with conspiracy theory?

The illusion of "free-to-play" shatters here. This model is deceptive and has fundamentally changed how players perceive and engage with the genre. By placing the most rewarding elements, like cosmetic upgrades and basic functionalities, behind a paywall, you end up spending more in free-to-play games, desperately seeking the rewards you would typically get in an honest traditional gaming experience. Essentially, you're trying to recover what has been stripped away. With the bar set so low in the free-to-play framework, you'll never genuinely compensate for what's missing.

I don't have to go into much detail about why it's worse for Blizzard to adopt these models into their games. Bottom line, there are three types of people that should never be trusted, and I have a feeling you might check all three boxes: anime enthusiasts, cryptocurrency aficionados, and corporate loyalists.

It's not deceptive at all. You can legit play POE 1 and POE 2 for free. You pay for convenience of stash tabs, but you don't HAVE to have them.

Also. it's one of if not THE most forward and open Microtransaction system I've ever seen. Literally penny for penny conversion. How much LESS deception could you possibly get.

[[SIN] Kryadan]

I wish POE had 17 helltides with different colors and different skinned enemies. I wish their seasonal content was just an NPC to turn rep into, like D4

[xXBulletJusticeXx]

Publicado originalmente por SIN Kryadan:

I wish POE had 17 helltides with different colors and different skinned enemies. I wish their seasonal content was just an NPC to turn rep into, like D4

I honestly can not tell if that is sarcasm or not. Please say yes. Because for real, there are people out there that DO legit think D4 is good gameplay.

[Sexcalibur]

Publicado originalmente por Rob⛧Pentakill:

Publicado originalmente por xXBulletJusticeXx:

I'll bite.

What deceptive practices? Do you have ANY legitimate claims of deception? Or are you going to go full tin hat with conspiracy theory?

The illusion of "free-to-play" shatters here. This model is deceptive and has fundamentally changed how players perceive and engage with the genre. By placing the most rewarding elements, like cosmetic upgrades and basic functionalities, behind a paywall, you end up spending more in free-to-play games, desperately seeking the rewards you would typically get in an honest traditional gaming experience. Essentially, you're trying to recover what has been stripped away. With the bar set so low in the free-to-play framework, you'll never genuinely compensate for what's missing.

I don't have to go into much detail about why it's worse for Blizzard to adopt these models into their games. Bottom line, there are three types of people that should never be trusted, and I have a feeling you might check all three boxes: anime enthusiasts, cryptocurrency aficionados, and corporate loyalists.

The “gatekeep cosmetic behind paywall” argument is slightly false
There are still challenge rewards

[Jillas]

Publicado originalmente por MeatBag:

D4 is so bad, that clown saying "D4 Good POE2 Bad" prefer crying on PoE2 steam forum than playing D4

Don't worry, he's a full-time clown that doesn't care about any of these games - https://steamcommunity.com/app/2344520/discussions/0/599644029578144433/
I'm glad that no one gave him a single awards not over here, nor on D4 forum either.

[II-KING-II]

D4 is the easiest game ever made, zero challenge beat it on hardest difficulty without dying and im sure i could of been blindfolded. D4 is a game for people who have no ambition.

[Riukensei]

Publicado originalmente por Combatron:

Tell me one good thing about POE2 that D4 doesnt do better

D4 killed D4, PoE2 is just pissing on its grave, and it has herpes.