Why is my fire sorc weak as?

[Bastila Shan]

I got to level 68 fire sorc and it’s weak and terrible, couldn’t solo any bosses in story.

I made a new minion witch and I’m absolutely decimating every boss in act 1 without dying.

Is fire just weak? What did I do wrong there? Is single elemental damage type terrible?

[Banana]

I just build a fire witch, for fire to deal damage you cant just spam fireball, for boss you need Ember, fire curse and Firewall, and add on Incinerate for fire exposure.

[Alt+F4 ｇａｍｅｒ]

single elemental damage isn't terrible, only fire sorcery is
I have a frost sorceress that does good damage, and electric sorcery is still OP if I'm not mistaken

[Dwane Dibbley]

Pure mage feels like its now all about manastacking sw archmage. So you basicaly take spark build and change it abit to match whatever you want to cast.

Fire also feels bad compared to other elements as it dont offer you anything. Cold has freeze/chill/shatter, Lightning has shock/electrocute, fire has nothing, just weak dot and no CC.

And single elemental is usualy good cuz you need penetration/exposure and resist decrease things, which are motly single-element. Rainbow damage dont work well.

[Bastila Shan]

Well I’m sick of it, can hardly kill the horde on T1, I’m respecing to frost

[my butt is erect]

I made my way to elemental damage nodes which lets me use ice for burst and safety (icewall and frost bomb), and triple shoot fireballs for spamming down fodder. I'm no god but was able to get all ascensions and am doing tier10 pretty easy and can do 15s but it's pretty dangerous. My gear is meh, basically I probably lazily spent 60-100 exalts on random stuff to round out my resists. I did not go chaos innoculation.

Icewall murders anyone you want very fast. I use double cast gem on frost bombs to clear huge areas. I have some area increase and the storm weaver crit storm thing. Having several debuffs going makes use of ailment related passives no matter which element I'm using at the moment too.

It kinda works ok but to be honest the ice is carrying the build. But the fireballs fill entire rooms and is situationally really good at cleaning up huge spaces. Sometimes I shoot them through firewalls but not sure if it's worth it unless there's a ice resistant enemy type or something

[Sycler]

Fire is terrible. I tried, i stuck it out with various fire builds. Its just weak and half the abilities you cannot use when enemies zerg your ass, which is always. Switched to frost and I am clearing crap that I had issues with using fire.

Incinerate? Stand and fire a weak beam. Get smashed
Solar Orb? Does no damage and just sits there.
Flameblast? To slow and you get smashed.
Emberfluis? is good but cost way to much mana and relies on auto targeting and spam clicks.
Firestrom? Weak overall.
Flame skulls do no dmg
Ignite does no dmg.

[Wutever]

Originally posted by Bastila Shan:

Well I’m sick of it, can hardly kill the horde on T1, I’m respecing to frost

Cold is better, but there's still not that many good spells. Ice Wall is good, Frost Bomb is decent, Comet is good if you don't have to cast it (or if you dump it on a frozen boss or something).

Eye of Winter is basically just there for the crit vulnerability, Ice Nova barely does any damage, Cold Snap has far too many conditionals, Frost Bolt is basically just there for the chill.

Most good builds typically involve two elements. Lightning-Cold, Fire-Cold (mostly just Burning Inscription Cast on Ignite). If you REALLY want to make cold work you will probably need to do some sort of Cast on Crit build (I don't know if Cast on Freeze is good anymore).

Generally, whatever build you're running you want some sort of source of Shock, especially if you're a Stormweaver because double Shock is stupidly strong. Lightning Warp + Ball Lightning is an obvious choice unless you have lightning damage on your gear. Or just run Archmage.

[Bastila Shan]

Originally posted by Specter Deck:

Fire is terrible. I tried, i stuck it out with various fire builds. Its just weak and half the abilities you cannot use when enemies zerg your ass, which is always. Switched to frost and I am clearing crap that I had issues with using fire.

Incinerate? Stand and fire a weak beam. Get smashed
Solar Orb? Does no damage and just sits there.
Flameblast? To slow and you get smashed.
Emberfluis? is good but cost way to much mana and relies on auto targeting and spam clicks.
Firestrom? Weak overall.
Flame skulls do no dmg
Ignite does no dmg.

Yeh I did it from act 1 and I struggled with every boss. Now I’ve cleared everything first go with minions. Fire needs a serious rework

[Knavenformed]

Made an Infernalist with the plan of switching to Fireball Raging Spirit when accessible and yeah it was dogwater 0dps as a base skill even

[Caldrin]

Have done a fire Sorc just not up to that level.. damage seemed more than enough really.. I was going to swap over to fire witch instead but not got around to doing it yet

[Bastila Shan]

Originally posted by Caldrin:

Have done a fire Sorc just not up to that level.. damage seemed more than enough really.. I was going to swap over to fire witch instead but not got around to doing it yet

It’s really terrible compared to other builds

[SomewhatSolo]

Fire is just a tool in your tool box which works better when used with other tools. Maybe not the answer you were looking for but here is a really great video on how to make Fire work using other elements. It's very solo and beginner friendly. The channel also has full play through of this set up. The creator makes it very easy to understand how and why synergy is so important.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vWzsgNSDiA

[YMD]

Fire spells have low base crit, low damage, most are clunky to use (e.g. Incinerate, Flameblast)

[Treez]

Yeah, I had the same issue, switching to Ice felt like I put cheat codes in

[Uncle David]

Frost Wall and Comets on their head its pretty nice when in trouble with the mobs