What is with the pricing in the MTX shop?

[Cat with a Gat]

They should call it the macrotransaction shop since buying armor skins in this game is THE WORST shop I've ever seen in my entire life.
The closest F2P ARPG/MMO, Lost Ark (even bought the platinum founders edition of that game) which came with multiple skins, with every major update gave the skin pack AGAIN to us to use on alternate characters so all 9 of my characters have 2 skins by now.
But this? $45 for a single skin that will be locked to a single character? This is a complete ripoff. I really thought I'd have enough points to buy LITERALLY ONE OF ANYTHING OTHER THAN STASH TABS??? Like buying the game early access should let you buy one skin or the multiple stash tabs. Options. Which this game (cosmetically) has ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ 0 customization and base armor looks kinda ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.
After playing for a good few hours, I thought I'd go to the shop and wanted to support the devs for the fun they gave me already (I did buy the early access basic tier), but after seeing those prices? I feel angry enough that I hope the devs lose everything they've ever built and the team/studio gets dissolved.
What an absolute sham of a shop. I will NEVER spend a single dollar on GGG again thanks to this trash tier, scumbag, greedy, dishonorable shop. I hate the devs now. They are the scum of this earth. "At least it isn't pay to win" I'd rather spend money on South Korean P2W trash than $76 full skin packs (if you consider accessories to be a part of the skin pack WHICH I DO)

TL;DR This shop has prices that are so bad they are actually a sin against god and a crime against humanity and an affront to gaming.

[KillJoy]

It's not locked to a single character.

[ffrotty]

Originally posted by Cat with a Gat:

$45 for a single skin that will be locked to a single character?

not entirely accurate: the skin can only be on one character at a time, but you can turn it on and off for any given character.

I've picked up bundles in the past but they were priced to basically be free cosmetics + the currency to buy stash tabs instead of just the stash tabs.

I've never understood the desire to pay money to change how your character looks, so I'd say it's subject to personal opinion if it's "worth it."

From POE1 I have one of every league's stash tab, all tabs upgraded to premium, and a bunch of extra tabs + quads. It's fun to play hardcore and hoard items so that if/when you die you level up with the same gear except your best gear, and made a lot easier with multiple tabs to sort loot by equippable level.

So I'd say in thousands of hours of playing over 12 years I've spent maybe $100

[Huaquero]

Yeah its insanely overpriced . Look how cheap marvel rivals skins are . 20ish $ for the highest tiers . GGG is hella greedy . They made so much money from EA packs and supporter packs exist for their biggest fanboys so I don't get it why they have to sell some MTX like despair armor for 90$

[😎Astran😾]

You understand nothing, OP. Diablo 4 is bad because they have nice $25 per-character skins, PoE2 is good because they have fugly $80 skins which can be used to make your every character ugly as sin

[Paroe]

I think youre under a major misconception; The base game will be free to play, eliminating the opportunity cost and providing the game at no charge to the widest possible userbase.

What this means is that people who can afford premium currency - and want to - will, regardless of the cost (within reason, anyway). If you slash the cost of fancy wings from 30 to 3, you will not get 11 more purchases to make a profit: you might get one or two more purchases, because the people who want the fancy wings will generally buy the fancy wings.

Stash tabs and cosmetics go on sale all the time, too, you just have to wait if you want something very specific.

You dont turn minnows into dolphins by reducing the cost of cosmetics - thats how you turn dolphins into minnows.
Also to paraphrase the rimworld community: "If youre complaining the price is to high, you were never going to buy much to begin with". Catering to the lowest denominator is not how you run a successful free to play game.

That being said, GGG DOES need to offer low-cost cosmetics like transmog consumables (to transfer unique visuals of the same base between each other) and simple dyes that color shift a non-unique, non-transmogged base.

[Cat with a Gat]

Originally posted by Paroe:

I think youre under a major misconception; The base game will be free to play, eliminating the opportunity cost and providing the game at no charge to the widest possible userbase.

What this means is that people who can afford premium currency - and want to - will, regardless of the cost (within reason, anyway). If you slash the cost of fancy wings from 30 to 3, you will not get 11 more purchases to make a profit: you might get one or two more purchases, because the people who want the fancy wings will generally buy the fancy wings.

Stash tabs and cosmetics go on sale all the time, too, you just have to wait if you want something very specific.

You dont turn minnows into dolphins by reducing the cost of cosmetics - thats how you turn dolphins into minnows.
Also to paraphrase the rimworld community: "If youre complaining the price is to high, you were never going to buy much to begin with". Catering to the lowest denominator is not how you run a successful free to play game.

That being said, GGG DOES need to offer low-cost cosmetics like transmog consumables (to transfer unique visuals of the same base between each other) and simple dyes that color shift a non-unique, non-transmogged base.

I brought up the free to play alternative so this is NOT about it eventually being free to play

[AFC_HIGHBURY]

Originally posted by 😎𝔸𝕤𝕥𝕣𝕒𝕟😾:

You understand nothing, OP. Diablo 4 is bad because they have nice $25 per-character skins, PoE2 is good because they have fugly $80 skins which can be used to make your every character ugly as sin :lunar2019crylaughingpig:

No D4 is bad because it's a snooze, has a box price, added season pass, cosmetics and a dlc. most boss's can just stand still and hit them untill they melt, up difficulty rinse repeat untill melt etc etc. Lilith and a few others atleast have actual mechanics however the telegraphs are actually amusing at how bad they are. Transmog is cool though. Also it feels like a mobile game.

[Leon]

Its not like you can spent 20 and upgrade to the next pack up and get some skins that way if thats your thing and another 300 coin to spend if you wanna support GGG i dont really care about what my character looks like but i did upgrade as why spend the same on coin when you can get both for the same money i only wanted more stash tabs though.

Did someone compare a Marval branded team MP game to indie background niche SP ARPG............

[Havok]

1. You are not the target audience.
2. Only 1 character can wear a skin at a time, not locked to one character. Big difference. Buying one skin you can just equip it to the current character you are playing.
3. CSGO has skins in the $0.02-$150000 range, with someone wanting $2000000 for the highest tier, lowest float blue gem knife.
4. Convert your currency to stash space like everyone else does, and either play, don’t play, or do whatever. You don’t need a skin to enjoy the game.

[Cat with a Gat]

Originally posted by 😎𝔸𝕤𝕥𝕣𝕒𝕟😾:

You understand nothing, OP. Diablo 4 is bad because they have nice $25 per-character skins, PoE2 is good because they have fugly $80 skins which can be used to make your every character ugly as sin :lunar2019crylaughingpig:

Diablo 4 is terrible, dogwater even.
You know a fantastic ARPG that is in the same genre of game as POE though, with a great transmog system? Grim Dawn.
They sell skin packs, and those are REALLY cheap compared to everything here.
Lost Ark was the example I gave originally, not D4. As we all know D4 is a cash grab on the Diablo name. Lost Ark at least has the decency to give you what you paid for, and more. Given every single character of my 9 classes in that game has the platinum pack skin and also the lawmaker skin. Those skins even if named the same thing are unique to the classes, so they are heavily varied.
Not to mention the pets and mounts I got with it. Multiple color variations of cerberus, multiple angelic and demonic horses, a weird magic stag thing. The pets are all different.
So I would think I know what the eff I'm talking about when every other game in the genre does better at having a shop.

[Cat with a Gat]

Originally posted by ak47:

1. You are not the target audience.
2. Only 1 character can wear a skin at a time, not locked to one character. Big difference. Buying one skin you can just equip it to the current character you are playing.
3. CSGO has skins in the $0.02-$150000 range, with someone wanting $2000000 for the highest tier, lowest float blue gem knife.
4. Convert your currency to stash space like everyone else does, and either play, don’t play, or do whatever. You don’t need a skin to enjoy the game.

1. An ARPG fan, not being the target audience? That's mad work, nice jungle gym level Olympian reaching here.
2. At least that's a positive. Still could be added to an account wide transmog system to make it better.
3. CSGO is.. and always has been ♥♥♥♥ for the gambling practices
4. No I don't need a skin to enjoy the game but it does make me look cool, better than the absolute ♥♥♥♥ tier looks of the armor design they have for the base game. I said it, the armor looks terrible and their artists should never work for another game studio again.

[Havok]

Originally posted by Cat with a Gat:

Originally posted by ak47:

1. You are not the target audience.
2. Only 1 character can wear a skin at a time, not locked to one character. Big difference. Buying one skin you can just equip it to the current character you are playing.
3. CSGO has skins in the $0.02-$150000 range, with someone wanting $2000000 for the highest tier, lowest float blue gem knife.
4. Convert your currency to stash space like everyone else does, and either play, don’t play, or do whatever. You don’t need a skin to enjoy the game.

1. An ARPG fan, not being the target audience? That's mad work, nice jungle gym level Olympian reaching here.
2. At least that's a positive. Still could be added to an account wide transmog system to make it better.
3. CSGO is.. and always has been ♥♥♥♥ for the gambling practices
4. No I don't need a skin to enjoy the game but it does make me look cool, better than the absolute ♥♥♥♥ tier looks of the armor design they have for the base game. I said it, the armor looks terrible and their artists should never work for another game studio again.

You are not an MTX whale, therefore, not the target audience. If you want the skin, you would have bought it. Welcome to the modern era of gaming. Spoiler alert, they want you to buy the game for $70, buy a $20 battle pass, buy a $30 dlc, buy a $20 skin, and keep buying and buying and buying. It’s nothing new. At least poe has the decency to give you your money back in form of currency for purchasing to play when the game will inevitably be free. Would love to see 2k, madden, fifa, AC, cod or blizzard do that

I bring up csgo, because while you’re complaining about an account bound skin, people pay thousands if not tens of thousands for skins in that game. It could be far worse.

While I admit the skins are way over priced, you don’t have to engage with it. Yea, it would be nice to get a clean $10-$20 skin. But poe1 players purchased them at these prices, so why do they have incentive to change that tactic, when the target is those people, not us, the ones who want 1-2 clean skins for $20 each

[Cat with a Gat]

Originally posted by Leon:

Its not like you can spent 20 and upgrade to the next pack up and get some skins that way if thats your thing and another 300 coin to spend if you wanna support GGG i dont really care about what my character looks like but i did upgrade as why spend the same on coin when you can get both for the same money i only wanted more stash tabs though.

Did someone compare a Marval branded team MP game to indie background niche SP ARPG............

People like yourself are why GGG are allowed to get away with this. "Not caring what your character looks like" is such a cop-out take for a game coming out in 2025. I'm pretty sure every game ever released past 2010 has customization, and many before it. What a weird take.

Yes someone did compare a free to play game with another *eventual* free to play game. They're different genres but one at least respects the audience they want to achieve. The other (this one) has no respect for you or your money.

[Cat with a Gat]

Originally posted by ak47:

Originally posted by Cat with a Gat:

1. An ARPG fan, not being the target audience? That's mad work, nice jungle gym level Olympian reaching here.
2. At least that's a positive. Still could be added to an account wide transmog system to make it better.
3. CSGO is.. and always has been ♥♥♥♥ for the gambling practices
4. No I don't need a skin to enjoy the game but it does make me look cool, better than the absolute ♥♥♥♥ tier looks of the armor design they have for the base game. I said it, the armor looks terrible and their artists should never work for another game studio again.

You are not an MTX whale, therefore, not the target audience. If you want the skin, you would have bought it.

I bring up csgo, because while you’re complaining about an account bound skin, people pay thousands if not tens of thousands for skins in that game. It could be far worse

I am definitely not a whale lmao yeah, shots fired, shots hit all vitals
And yes it could be worse, like the league of legends $400 skin. Or the Escape from Tarkov $300 edition. Or any Ubislop game.

[Leon]

Originally posted by ak47:

Originally posted by Cat with a Gat:

1. An ARPG fan, not being the target audience? That's mad work, nice jungle gym level Olympian reaching here.
2. At least that's a positive. Still could be added to an account wide transmog system to make it better.
3. CSGO is.. and always has been ♥♥♥♥ for the gambling practices
4. No I don't need a skin to enjoy the game but it does make me look cool, better than the absolute ♥♥♥♥ tier looks of the armor design they have for the base game. I said it, the armor looks terrible and their artists should never work for another game studio again.

You are not an MTX whale, therefore, not the target audience. If you want the skin, you would have bought it.

I bring up csgo, because while you’re complaining about an account bound skin, people pay thousands if not tens of thousands for skins in that game. It could be far worse

True the people buying 90 skins don't care about money streamers etc so thats why they are there and they must have the stats to back that up, be grateful there isn't some crap battlepass in the game like most.