why so hard??

[NDM]

I've been playing for 30 hours and it's getting real annoying. Witch (level 30). Even level 26 mobs can beat the shait out of me if I don't constantly back away from them, casting spells from afar.
and this is only the second act. and I read that the max character level is 100. what the F?
I completed the D4 campaign in 30 hours. and I didn't have to constantly grind the level to get through the bosses.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3412834901
I've been familiar with the genre since Icewind Dale and Diablo, so I can't say that I'm a newbie. The game just suffocates you with super-tough mobs.
I'm forced to build a defensive build. and you have to grind a lot to survive the boss. NOT FUN.

[NDM]

Originally posted by AFC_HIGHBURY:

Originally posted by NDM:

noob question. where to buy? as far as I understand, the game official store only has cosmetic items. no?

https://www.pathofexile.com/trade2/search/poe2/Standard

Just hope you get a reply lol

ty, I'll check it

[PEPE OSEPE]

Witch is pretty easy in story mode. You don't even need to do much (just stay in backgorund) because your minions are working for ya. After story once you die, you will hella loose your exp. So get prepared for the endgame.

If you need help, you can watch plenty of tutorials and builds on youtube and other sites. But don't skill your witch for endgame right now. You have to adjust your weaknesses.

Played a witch to 86 and I can tell you, the endgame sucks with her. But story is totally fine.

[Tom]

Originally posted by NDM:

Originally posted by Dwane Dibbley:

Ascendency is actualy big deal for most builds. Its class specialization. Bloodmage lose mana and is supposed to work as crit based caster (cast for hp and recoup hp thru crits). So you have to build and gear around crit, not minions. Unfortunately, you cant change ascendency, reroll or change playstyle.

1. at this stage i don't spend mana at all. AT ALL. so i'm even thinking about lvl up a skill that will allow me to take damage into mana instead of health. at least it will be useful with bosses. and i (maybe) will be able to survive the developers' favorite tactic - oneshot you.
2. I cant change ascendency but I can change my skill tree...

You could build towards a sort of hybrid minion blood mage. May not be the most effective thing but it could be fun and work well enough to beat the story. Ofcourse the real game is the End game after story. But don't sweat it too much if you struggle a lot/ need to roll new characters, it took me several characters over multiple leagues (thats seasons) to get through Poe1s story and into t5 maps but of course i also was mostly focused on builds that sounded fun over being effective at that time. Still am doing fun over function rn but atleast i know enough now to make them work, you will make yours work too in time.

Originally posted by NDM:

Originally posted by Tom:

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the point is that if i'm level 30 and the mobs are level 26 and it's act 2(!) then i should be able to run through them like a storm no matter what my build is etc. but instead i'm forced to deal with them and run away from them lol. at the same time the lower the mobs level the less exp i get for them. which is logical of course. but that's not the biggest problem. the biggest problem is the boss at the end which will almost always oneshot you if you don't grind the mobs for a long time.
for example in D4 there was no such problem. on the first playthrough of the campaign the bosses were a normal competition and didn't require a long grind (I don't remember they require it at all).

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As I understand it D4 is the kind of game where you can mash your face into the keyboard and still win. Yes this game is difficult from the start, could it be easier to draw new players in? Maybe. Should players be expected to storm through the campaign just because they over leveled disregarding what exactly they leveled and what exactly they're doing? I dont think so. You need to be aware of the mechanics. You need to have something pushing you into learning. This game has some of the most incredibly deep systems I have ever seen in games and if you master them you can farm the toughest bosses and thats bosses so hard it makes D4s look like common mobs. That mastery is satisfying. If you're not pushed to engage with the systems early on then eventually you'll go from breezing through it to running into a wall late game and just drop it.

[NDM]

Originally posted by PEPE OSEPE:

But don't skill your witch for endgame right now. You have to adjust your weaknesses.

I'm working on it 🙏

Originally posted by Tom:

You need to be aware of the mechanics. You need to have something pushing you into learning. This game has some of the most incredibly deep systems I have ever seen in games and if you master them you can farm the toughest bosses and thats bosses so hard it makes D4s look like common mobs. That mastery is satisfying. If you're not pushed to engage with the systems early on then eventually you'll go from breezing through it to running into a wall late game and just drop it.

I don't know.. so far it looks like a pretty standard ARPG, but it's just harder than usual. The mobs have a lot of health and defense, you don't do much damage to them, but they do a LOT of damage to you.
The game tells you - "You need to grind. You weak". Now I understand where the developers got this name from 🙄I would prefer an easier story campaign for a beginner.

[DM]

Originally posted by NDM:

I've been playing for 30 hours and it's getting real annoying. Witch (level 30). Even level 26 mobs can beat the shait out of me if I don't constantly back away from them, casting spells from afar.
and this is only the second act. and I read that the max character level is 100. what the F?
I completed the D4 campaign in 30 hours. and I didn't have to constantly grind the level to get through the bosses.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3412834901
I've been familiar with the genre since Icewind Dale and Diablo, so I can't say that I'm a newbie. The game just suffocates you with super-tough mobs.
I'm forced to build a defensive build. and you have to grind a lot to survive the boss. NOT FUN.

The start of your first character will be a challenge. We've all gone through it.

The reason you can do D4 quick and easy is because D4 is a casual ARPG. Like Torchlight.

Everyone needs defences, but at low level you don't even have a build yet. And if you go too defensive you won't have the damage to down the bosses. You have to avoid taking damage from bosses and be offensive when there is a gap.

As you progress you will still die, but not as regularly. If you want upgrades, check the vendors every time you level up. When you get an Exalt drop, go on the trade site and find a weapon upgrade.

Follow a build guide from Maxroll. They already figured out the stuff to avoid and the stuff worth using. You will have a smoother time overall, but the game is still tough at first. Practice and persistance are needed.

Diablo 4 is just not a worthy tutorial for PoE 2 - its mindless fun with virtually no challenge.

And don't worry about lvl100 - none of us are getting there. My max level character is 93. With another 4 days of playing I could get to 94, but for just 1 extra node on the passive tree its really not worth the time and hassle.

[rive1573]

Originally posted by WeaverDuck:

There is nothing difficult in campaign and cruel acts are just pure speed run to maps.
It was easy as ssf warrior before any buffs and its easy now.

Like Wutever said, rethink your gear/skill choices and adjust playstyle.

this is a super elitist thing to say. in general, if you have to rethink your gear and skill choices then its difficult. poe in general is more difficult than the average type game. crafting is difficult. trading in its current state is difficult. any time someone says the phrase "skill issue", that means something is difficult. can you possibly be more awful.

[Dwane Dibbley]

Originally posted by NDM:

Originally posted by Dwane Dibbley:

Ascendency is actualy big deal for most builds. Its class specialization. Bloodmage lose mana and is supposed to work as crit based caster (cast for hp and recoup hp thru crits). So you have to build and gear around crit, not minions. Unfortunately, you cant change ascendency, reroll or change playstyle.

1. at this stage i don't spend mana at all. AT ALL. so i'm even thinking about lvl up a skill that will allow me to take damage into mana instead of health. at least it will be useful with bosses. and i (maybe) will be able to survive the developers' favorite tactic - oneshot you.
2. I cant change ascendency but I can change my skill tree...

You dont spend mana cuz you dont have mana.

MoM wont do anything cuz you dont have mana.

You traded your mana for life, you cast with your health now. Its like you havnt read ascendencies before you randomly chosen one.

So you are basicaly a mage who stack hp and crit. Summoner stack spirit, infernalist (not-bloodmage) is the one specialized for summoning. He gets even hellhound who (along other things) redirect 20% of damage you take into him.

[Pervy]

Originally posted by NDM:

Originally posted by Dwane Dibbley:

PoE is a bit like souls game

ok, that explains a lot.

Originally posted by Dwane Dibbley:

Either by learning or stealing (copy someones build).

i dont want to copy someone elses build. i was planning to build my own witch with minion focus. i thought it would be fun. but the game forces me to use defense because minions are almost useless against bosses. the boss (and many mobs) ignore minions and immediately aggro on me 😡

Originally posted by Dwane Dibbley:

First difficulty is abit overtuned and afaik devs will nerf it

yeah i think it's because it's a beta. d4 beta was also a lot harder than the final game.

Originally posted by Dwane Dibbley:

If you're getting filtered by the campaign then that's a clear skill issue.

not a very smart answer. i'm only level 30 and it's act 2. what wrong build are you talking about. i explain that i spend too much time on mobs. it's just not fun. standing there and poking titans with a fork. it doesn't require "skill". you just stand there and hold the button. if there are 3 titans, you stand there and hold the button even longer. NOT FUN. and the loot reward is just ridiculous. i do it because i need the level, because otherwise i can't do anything with the boss.

You can have a bad build by level 30. You can have a bad build by 20 too.

[hitem]

the game is not difficult, but it requiers you to grasp some concepts (stacking defenses, resists etc). Then just follow the ingame tips on gems etc and u can get to endgame with anything. This game enfesis YOUR ability to move out of the way of things, so the more you play, the smoother and easier it gets. if u cant do those things, load up shield and stack defenses and keep moving (select skills that suits that playstyle).

Im lvl 97 witch in HC (minions) and i havent traded a single item (all found, so basicly ssf). It works fine, its not a zoom zdps boom boom that all the "guides" are promoting, select YOUR playstyle and enjoy the game. I love slow methodical gameplay so witch is perfect :)

[Wutever]

Originally posted by Dwane Dibbley:

Originally posted by Wutever:

Agreed, but I think this could be remedied with better in-game tutorials. Take my Warrior SSF "experiment" as an example. 5 out of the 6 recommended support gems on Boneshatter are catastrophically wrong. Boneshatter is by far best screen clearing tool a warrior has while leveling.

How many people will uncheck "Show Recommended Gems" on their first playthrough? I didn't even notice that for quite some time at first.

The difference from having the right gems in just that one skill is night and day. You go from being sad and wanting to reroll to clearing screens like you're running a double Herald setup. I wouldn't be surprised if this was the main reason why people think warrior is bad.

Recomended gems double down on summoner, which OP plays. You not only need non-recomended gems for summoner, but also for your summons. Like skeletal snipers needs some basic knowledge about ranger/bow mechanic to fit them properly for the role you want. Firewall/raging spirits is in sorc skills, then you may want to socket spirits for breaking armor to boost your main summons, which is outside recomended gems and needs knowledge outside casters things.

Knowledge is just too important, and throwing new players without knowledge right into hardmode is just wrong take. Thats why i call campaign overtuned, its designed for PoE players with certain knowledge. But its very hostile against newcomers without knowledge.

So devs will pretty much tune dufficulty down. Atleast at beginning, they might increase difficulty for cruel for proper curve. Extended tutorial might be also very helpfull.

Making the first 3 acts easy and turning up difficulty for Cruel wouldn't fix anything. It would just be a bandaid. The core issue of having a bad build due to bad in-game guidance would still remain and people would still hit a wall. Sure, not in act 2, but in act 4, but is there really a difference?

If anything it might be more confusing and difficult to make adjustments at that point. Better to have a reality check early than late.

[Pervy]

If you had picked the the other thing insted of blood mage, you could have been a better minion build.

[WeaverDuck]

Originally posted by rive1573:

Originally posted by WeaverDuck:

There is nothing difficult in campaign and cruel acts are just pure speed run to maps.
It was easy as ssf warrior before any buffs and its easy now.

Like Wutever said, rethink your gear/skill choices and adjust playstyle.

this is a super elitist thing to say. in general, if you have to rethink your gear and skill choices then its difficult. poe in general is more difficult than the average type game. crafting is difficult. trading in its current state is difficult. any time someone says the phrase "skill issue", that means something is difficult. can you possibly be more awful.

There is nothing elitist in that. If you have to rethink something it means you ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up. If you couldnt ♥♥♥♥ up, the game would be an auto-clicker... All you have to do is read what is written in game and use your brain a little.

I wont say anything about trading as i havent used it because no AH is stupid in itself and it would make the game too easy, hence why my chars are all ssf

All the info you need is explained in-game yet you still get people that complain they are getting shred because of elemental damage when their armor is so high, people crying about one-shots at level 80 while having only evasion and 1k hp...

Campaign is not difficult, people are unwilling to learn because complaining is easier

[NDM]

Originally posted by Dwane Dibbley:

You dont spend mana cuz you dont have mana.

i mean it was the same before the blood mage. my abilities consume too little, and the minions consume spirit. 🙄
but now that's a good question. will the mana damage work or will it consume both mana and HP like spells. if not, then it's okay. don't write as if i made the biggest mistake in my life lol.

Originally posted by Dwane Dibbley:

Its like you havnt read ascendencies before you randomly chosen one.

Actually, I read it and I want to become a blood mage. 😐

[Pervy]

Originally posted by WeaverDuck:

Originally posted by rive1573:

this is a super elitist thing to say. in general, if you have to rethink your gear and skill choices then its difficult. poe in general is more difficult than the average type game. crafting is difficult. trading in its current state is difficult. any time someone says the phrase "skill issue", that means something is difficult. can you possibly be more awful.

There is nothing elitist in that. If you have to rethink something it means you ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up. If you couldnt ♥♥♥♥ up, the game would be an auto-clicker... All you have to do is read what is written in game and use your brain a little.

I wont say anything about trading as i havent used it because no AH is stupid in itself and it would make the game too easy, hence why my chars are all ssf

All the info you need is explained in-game yet you still get people that complain they are getting shred because of elemental damage when their armor is so high, people crying about one-shots at level 80 while having only evasion and 1k hp...

Campaign is not difficult, people are unwilling to learn because complaining is easier

Didt D3 use to have a AH ? Which was then totally removed, since it was infested with RMT.

[WeaverDuck]

Originally posted by Automaton 32:

Originally posted by WeaverDuck:

There is nothing elitist in that. If you have to rethink something it means you ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up. If you couldnt ♥♥♥♥ up, the game would be an auto-clicker... All you have to do is read what is written in game and use your brain a little.

I wont say anything about trading as i havent used it because no AH is stupid in itself and it would make the game too easy, hence why my chars are all ssf

All the info you need is explained in-game yet you still get people that complain they are getting shred because of elemental damage when their armor is so high, people crying about one-shots at level 80 while having only evasion and 1k hp...

Campaign is not difficult, people are unwilling to learn because complaining is easier

Didt D3 use to have a AH ? Which was then totally removed, since it was infested with RMT.

And poe 2 atm is not?