Acolyte and Invoker things

[Q1]

Qualifier, I have a level 75 Invoker, I know how charges, auto charge builds, and all that work already

But what I also have is a sort of "throw away" Acolyte. I don't use up much in the way of resources on it and I use it to mess around with things I fully understand are not optimal, it's 40 or 41.

Can you even build into chaos damage? There's some skills that add it, and some nodes that boost it, but you really only have two actual chaos related abilities, one of which is just a 'one attack gets a boost after a long build up' and hardly seems worth it.

You seem locked into going down a frost or lightning path due to Ice Strike / Tempest so you build into which ever one of those you like, which further puts a lock on trying to do chaos which as already mentioned doesn't seem viable anyway.

Then there's all of "not ice and not lightning" skills, everyone knows the power of the bell, but things like wind blast, vaulting, and particularly the spinning strike don't seem worth it, so doing "non elemental" doesn't seem to kick in either.

Then there's what to do with the power charges if you do get them, those all seem lightning based.

[ffrotty]

as in everything in POE. can you build for it? sure. is it the most optimal? probably not.

lightning is OP because of the built in damage. frost is only op because of herald of ice / polcirklen ring

most of the classes / archetypes that deal with chaos aren't in yet. ranger has chaos builds

[Drake]

Originally posted by Q1:

Qualifier, I have a level 75 Invoker, I know how charges, auto charge builds, and all that work already

But what I also have is a sort of "throw away" Acolyte. I don't use up much in the way of resources on it and I use it to mess around with things I fully understand are not optimal, it's 40 or 41.

Can you even build into chaos damage? There's some skills that add it, and some nodes that boost it, but you really only have two actual chaos related abilities, one of which is just a 'one attack gets a boost after a long build up' and hardly seems worth it.

You seem locked into going down a frost or lightning path due to Ice Strike / Tempest so you build into which ever one of those you like, which further puts a lock on trying to do chaos which as already mentioned doesn't seem viable anyway.

Then there's all of "not ice and not lightning" skills, everyone knows the power of the bell, but things like wind blast, vaulting, and particularly the spinning strike don't seem worth it, so doing "non elemental" doesn't seem to kick in either.

Then there's what to do with the power charges if you do get them, those all seem lightning based.

that's because you're looking at it thinking a monk needs to use a quarterstaff and an ascendancy is there only for the base stuff of the class.

Acolyte of chayula isn't about building a staff monk. You can use mantra of destruction and hand of chayula to support the build but the main stuff is going to be occult chaos spells.

Acolyte of chayula is a caster spec. Spamming Hand of chyula buffed by mantra of destruction applying sniper's mark + despair followed by hexblast to explode them is how you use it.
You can use resonance with sniper's mark to get power charges and generate zombies for minion pact to get more damage with hexblast. Or you could keep the frenzy charges to use them to get more attack speed with hand of chayula through the frenzy support gem.

You could technically also use bow poison skills (though it's not optimal and will only really work if you use a cultist bow to get 100% chaos attack damage, thus having chaos passives fuly work with poison damage). Same deal with sniper mark, despair and hand of chayula to generate frenzy charges to use them on bow skills.

[Q1]

I considered that in my 'how can I use the only two chaos skills available' rumblings. but still have to do something to charge up the mantra, which circles back to using back attack of some kind, which leads into basic attack or shock/ice attack.

Or put more simply, I'm down with the hand of chyula with curses/marks but it's what to do with the combo point build up issue. I do think it's a bit of an 'oof' to have to build up int and dex high enough to basically borrow from the witch and the ranger pools, but that's a minor complaint.

I suppose all of the physical skills are sort of another issue entirely. The spinning strike in particularly made me sad.

[519B.]

Originally posted by Drake:

Originally posted by Q1:

Qualifier, I have a level 75 Invoker, I know how charges, auto charge builds, and all that work already

But what I also have is a sort of "throw away" Acolyte. I don't use up much in the way of resources on it and I use it to mess around with things I fully understand are not optimal, it's 40 or 41.

Can you even build into chaos damage? There's some skills that add it, and some nodes that boost it, but you really only have two actual chaos related abilities, one of which is just a 'one attack gets a boost after a long build up' and hardly seems worth it.

You seem locked into going down a frost or lightning path due to Ice Strike / Tempest so you build into which ever one of those you like, which further puts a lock on trying to do chaos which as already mentioned doesn't seem viable anyway.

Then there's all of "not ice and not lightning" skills, everyone knows the power of the bell, but things like wind blast, vaulting, and particularly the spinning strike don't seem worth it, so doing "non elemental" doesn't seem to kick in either.

Then there's what to do with the power charges if you do get them, those all seem lightning based.

that's because you're looking at it thinking a monk needs to use a quarterstaff and an ascendancy is there only for the base stuff of the class.

Acolyte of chayula isn't about building a staff monk. You can use mantra of destruction and hand of chayula to support the build but the main stuff is going to be occult chaos spells.

Acolyte of chayula is a caster spec. Spamming Hand of chyula buffed by mantra of destruction applying sniper's mark + despair followed by hexblast to explode them is how you use it.
You can use resonance with sniper's mark to get power charges and generate zombies for minion pact to get more damage with hexblast. Or you could keep the frenzy charges to use them to get more attack speed with hand of chayula through the frenzy support gem.

You could technically also use bow poison skills (though it's not optimal and will only really work if you use a cultist bow to get 100% chaos attack damage, thus having chaos passives fuly work with poison damage). Same deal with sniper mark, despair and hand of chayula to generate frenzy charges to use them on bow skills.

i'm a bow acolyte, not true about using a cultist bow, the only reason i see to use that is for vine arrow specifically. you want a high phys dmg bow with crit and mana leech etc
btw i clear t15s+