Is gambling for a weapon worth it on SSFHC?

[Max Doge]

Hasn't been worth for me.

Asking because of the annoying stock limitation of 100 items and the fact it will apparently mostly give out low rolls anyway.

[Dwane Dibbley]

Depends on weapon and what you want on it. Its good for wand where you dont rly care about item type and just go for +skills and some high caster rolls, but its rather bad for bow where you want specific type (dualstring) with certain affixes.

But its not like you need gold for anything else, so who rly care?

[Max Doge]

Need high dmg rolls on a bow but after 120 tries only gotten 2 potential average bows, but not a good one.

So wasn't sure if the RNG is really bad or the gambling has actually lowered quality rolls compared to drops, does anyone know for sure?

Maybe I should have saved the stock for amulets or something else, since it will be hard to get the stock back up, seems like killing uniques only gives roughly 40% chance you replenish stock by 1, it's definitely not 100%.

[Dwane Dibbley]

High damage weapons are extremly rare across the board (unless you go for rainbow, which isnt common, but much more common than pure phys), doesnt matter if its gamble or drop.

And double it for bow as you most likely aim for specific type, +x arrow affix is insanely rare.

[Baron01]

I only gambled early in the campaign and even that was very limited as my gold was very low. Weapons need to have certain rolls on them to be usable, for which reason I do not believe they are best choice for gambling.

[Dwane Dibbley]

Originally posted by Baron01:

I only gambled early in the campaign and even that was very limited as my gold was very low. Weapons need to have certain rolls on them to be usable, for which reason I do not believe they are best choice for gambling.

I turned 10m gold into 150 divs by gambling wands when streamers leaked first spak builds. Wand/focus is pretty good to gamble, just like rings/amulets.

[Baron01]

Weapon and wands are two different categories of items in PoE2. I assumed OP meant weapons that use physical/elemental damage to deal attack damage. I agree that wands are decent gambling material.

[xXBulletJusticeXx]

Originally posted by Wulfmax:

Hasn't been worth for me.

Asking because of the annoying stock limitation of 100 items and the fact it will apparently mostly give out low rolls anyway.

I've found that it's generally futile unless you have a lot of gold to spare. You can always just use gamble to get the item types you want to focus on, then use Reforge to give you even more chances at a base item you are looking for (stats wise), but more often than not creating your own using the highest item level stuff you find in the maps is going to get you better results.

[Illumina]

There's no stock limit once you reach endgame, just how much gold you can find.

[Dwane Dibbley]

Originally posted by xXBulletJusticeXx:

Originally posted by Wulfmax:

Hasn't been worth for me.

Asking because of the annoying stock limitation of 100 items and the fact it will apparently mostly give out low rolls anyway.

I've found that it's generally futile unless you have a lot of gold to spare. You can always just use gamble to get the item types you want to focus on, then use Reforge to give you even more chances at a base item you are looking for (stats wise), but more often than not creating your own using the highest item level stuff you find in the maps is going to get you better results.

Gambling is actualy very usefull in SSF (and more so in SSFHC) as it bends RNG in your favor. You have to look at gold as volatile part of loot where you can determine what drops. If you cant trade, having option to tell the game "i want more of item x" is big deal and even small upgrade is valuable in HC.

The best items still has to be crafted, but crafting mirror tier items in HC is extreme for very top players.

[Dregora]

If your build is good and you don't need to respecc, there's nothing else you can do with gold. Therefore: yes.

[xXBulletJusticeXx]

Originally posted by Dwane Dibbley:

Originally posted by xXBulletJusticeXx:

I've found that it's generally futile unless you have a lot of gold to spare. You can always just use gamble to get the item types you want to focus on, then use Reforge to give you even more chances at a base item you are looking for (stats wise), but more often than not creating your own using the highest item level stuff you find in the maps is going to get you better results.

Gambling is actualy very usefull in SSF (and more so in SSFHC) as it bends RNG in your favor. You have to look at gold as volatile part of loot where you can determine what drops. If you cant trade, having option to tell the game "i want more of item x" is big deal and even small upgrade is valuable in HC.

The best items still has to be crafted, but crafting mirror tier items in HC is extreme for very top players.

You quoting the wrong guy? OR just confused? Never said it wasn't useful.... just said that it's futile unless you have the gold to spare to do multiple and to utilize the reforge mechanic to get further chances at what you are looking for (stats wise).

Also, it doesn't Bend RNG at all. The RNG remains the exact same, you just get to do more rolls all at once in quick succession instead of waiting for random drops in maps. Genuinely confused by this statement.

Lastly, it's pretty obvious to everyone that an upgrade is an upgrade. Nobody would refute that. The question is if the item level from the gambling would be sufficient compared to the item level of a tier 15 juiced map. Item level determines the stat tier that can roll. So really, to "bend RNG" to your favor, you would want to collect higher item level, which is not available at the gambler to begin with.

[Max Doge]

Tbh I definitely shoulda been hoarding item bases and using reforging bench a lot more to improve my chances of good gear on SSFHC. Still managed to get a decent weapon in the end and break through with overwhelming damage, so learned a lot.

All of a sudden from 0 I have 40/100 gambling stock but only killed several unique bosses in the meantime, so not sure how that works?

Also, is it true that there are attribute roll penalties when gambling? I read that somewhere, that the quality of items is lower compared to regular drops.

[Max Doge]

Just trying to understand the hidden ingame mechanics to properly min-max and play as efficiently as possible on SSFHC to minimize the overall grind.