About Ailments and misunderstandings.

[Jack]

Earlyer today I watched a really good and professional Video about Ailmens.
But a few things didn't sit right with me so I checked the Poe Wiki.
https://www.poe2wiki.net/wiki/Ignite

There seems to be a misunderstanding based on the tooltip.

The base Magnitude of Ignite is Fire damage per second equal to 20% of the Fire damage dealt by the Hit that inflicted it. This is calculated using the final damage dealt by the Hit, but not any modifiers on the target that affect how much damage they will take from the Hit. This magnitude is not further affected by any modifiers to the damage you deal.

The line: "~but not any modifiers on the target~" is refering to hit modifiers like Armor brake, Penetration and so on, Not defences.

Ailments don't deal damage before mitigation as stated, quite the opposite. Damaging Ailments (Ignite,Bleed,poison) are calculated after mitigation but before before hit modifiers.
Aka: Hit modifiers like penetration does not apply to dots.

This is also described in the penetration tooltip.

~Since Penetration only affects Hits and applies to the target's defencive stats rather than your own offencive stats, it does not affect damage with Ailments."

I hate to be "that guy", but I would hate to see more tests and great work be done under the wrong assumptions. It seems to have chained quite a bit.

I meen the tooltips for damaging ailments is surly not easy to interpret.

[LΞGΞND]

i cant even play from the last 5 days because of constant crashes
started crashing on breaches - i stopped doing them
started crashing on map bosses - i stopped doing bosses and im buying maps from trade
now it started crashing on the last rare mob in maps - nothing else i can do but stop playing
at least i can listen to Una playing her music in town in the upcoming patch

[ministrog]

Originally posted by Jack:

Earlyer today I watched a really good and professional Video about Ailmens.
But a few things didn't sit right with me so I checked the Poe Wiki.
https://www.poe2wiki.net/wiki/Ignite

There seems to be a misunderstanding based on the tooltip.

The base Magnitude of Ignite is Fire damage per second equal to 20% of the Fire damage dealt by the Hit that inflicted it. This is calculated using the final damage dealt by the Hit, but not any modifiers on the target that affect how much damage they will take from the Hit. This magnitude is not further affected by any modifiers to the damage you deal.

The line: "~but not any modifiers on the target~" is refering to hit modifiers like Armor brake, Penetration and so on, Not defences.

Ailments don't deal damage before mitigation as stated, quite the opposite. Ailments are calculated after mitigation but before before hit modifiers.
Aka: Hit modifiers like penetration does not apply to dots.

This is also stated in the penetration tooltip.

~Since Penetration only affects Hits and applies to the target's defencive stats rather than your own offencive stats, it does not affect damage with Ailments."

I hate to be "that guy", but I would hate to see more tests and great work be done under the wrong assumptions. It seems to have chained quite a bit.

I meen the tooltips for damaging ailments is surly not easy to interpret.

they did mention today they'll do a pass again on a bunch of tooltips and explanations. Mark is a fan of the 'do big hit, get big ailments' philosophy. also, to be more on point of this thread, any mods, be it positive or negative should not be factored into the final magnitude. if any are, than according to the tooltip explanations it's a bug.

[Piggy]

Originally posted by LΞGΞND:

i cant even play from the last 5 days because of constant crashes
started crashing on breaches - i stopped doing them
started crashing on map bosses - i stopped doing bosses and im buying maps from trade
now it started crashing on the last rare mob in maps - nothing else i can do but stop playing
at least i can listen to Una playing her music in town in the upcoming patch

What level maps you need?

[LΞGΞND]

Originally posted by Piggy:

Originally posted by LΞGΞND:

i cant even play from the last 5 days because of constant crashes
started crashing on breaches - i stopped doing them
started crashing on map bosses - i stopped doing bosses and im buying maps from trade
now it started crashing on the last rare mob in maps - nothing else i can do but stop playing
at least i can listen to Una playing her music in town in the upcoming patch

What level maps you need?

map level Tcrashnomore
did i asked for maps? you funny little thing