Minion Build FPS?

[Rabantha]

Hi, basically I'm trying a Witch Infernalist and when there's a fair amount going on on screen my FPS can dip to as low as 40 sometimes! I've tried turning Graphics down, culling on/off, vsync on/off, rendering in DX / Vulkan and I've cleared my Shader Cache and it still does it. Is it just a game issue? No reason it should drop frames on my hardware:

7700x
4070Ti
32gb DDR5 6400MHz
M.2 Gen 4 READ: 7300MB/s WRITE: 6600MB/s

Any suggestions appreciated

[robruckus65]

Which minions do you use I swapped to snipers and it got better. Arsonists tank fps.

[Rabantha]

Originally posted by robruckus65:

Which minions do you use I swapped to snipers and it got better. Arsonists tank fps.

Currently at level 52 I have:

5 Arsonist
2 Warriors
2 Clerics
10 Raging Skulls (and obviously continuous firewalls)
and up to 14 little scorpion minion things with Unearth which also explode

Now that does sound like a lot for sure, on top of mobs / skills going off etc etc...but I still don't think it should drop frames? I don't want to swap my build out because of it, that's not really a fix. I was just curious if this was a widespread issue and if anybody has found a workaround? I've exhausting all my knowledge to try and solve it and now it's just kinda killing my fun when it happens. Obviously the further into the game I go the mob density is going to increase and it's going to happen more often and become more and more tedious.

[robruckus65]

This game has surprisingly high gpu and cpu usage. Especially with minions. I find arsonists with their bomb throwing to be the biggest culprit. I am deep in endgame I have 1 Hell hound 2 warriors 14 snipers, 1 lightning mage, 1 cleric, and the raging skulls and I don't notice much if any frame drop unless Im running breaches before I was running arsonists instead of snipers and I was noticing framedrop all the time whenever they were attacking. I think the way game processes fire is just a bit intensive so all of their bombs going of tanks performance.

[Rabantha]

Originally posted by robruckus65:

This game has surprisingly high gpu and cpu usage. Especially with minions. I find arsonists with their bomb throwing to be the biggest culprit. I am deep in endgame I have 1 Hell hound 2 warriors 14 snipers, 1 lightning mage, 1 cleric, and the raging skulls and I don't notice much if any frame drop unless Im running breaches before I was running arsonists instead of snipers and I was noticing framedrop all the time whenever they were attacking. I think the way game processes fire is just a bit intensive so all of their bombs going of tanks performance.

Ohh yeh, forgot to mention my HH too, poor Doggo how could I forget about him!!

I've kept monitoring open when it first started and my CPU usage doesn't really go over 70% and GPU hovers around 60-80%. Some bits of info I have come across also mention the Server Ping may also be adding to the FPS losses as the servers aren't handling the information fast enough but I don't know how that stuff works so can't add any credence to that

[Generic-Raider]

lol 40fps that cute
come back when you are in maps getting 8fps from all the stuff going on

[Rabantha]

Originally posted by Generic-Raider:

lol 40fps that cute
come back when you are in maps getting 8fps from all the stuff going on

8? What's your hardware and what minions do you have out? I wouldn't even carry on playing if it went that low. 40 is bad enough for me now tbh

[Gnasty Gnorc]

Dont use arsonists/SRS.

They're weak, too much visual clutter, and tank your FPS if you don't have a decent PC.

Run either snipers if you want physical damage, or frost mages if you want good clear/defensiveness with the freezing they do.

[Gnasty Gnorc]

Originally posted by Generic-Raider:

lol 40fps that cute
come back when you are in maps getting 8fps from all the stuff going on

get a better PC bud, that's not even a game issue at that point. its your pc.

[robruckus65]

Originally posted by Rabantha:

Originally posted by robruckus65:

This game has surprisingly high gpu and cpu usage. Especially with minions. I find arsonists with their bomb throwing to be the biggest culprit. I am deep in endgame I have 1 Hell hound 2 warriors 14 snipers, 1 lightning mage, 1 cleric, and the raging skulls and I don't notice much if any frame drop unless Im running breaches before I was running arsonists instead of snipers and I was noticing framedrop all the time whenever they were attacking. I think the way game processes fire is just a bit intensive so all of their bombs going of tanks performance.

Ohh yeh, forgot to mention my HH too, poor Doggo how could I forget about him!!

I've kept monitoring open when it first started and my CPU usage doesn't really go over 70% and GPU hovers around 60-80%. Some bits of info I have come across also mention the Server Ping may also be adding to the FPS losses as the servers aren't handling the information fast enough but I don't know how that stuff works so can't add any credence to that

Hmmm Yea it might be a server latency issue or the game engine itself struggling to deal with all the fire.

[NƎ̸RA]

minions or projectile fps will be 20-40 this is poe

[AH-1 Cobra]

Drop the arsonists, snipers are the best. Use scattershot for clearing, swap it out for another support that increases single target dps for bosses.

Running 18-20 snipers is an auto bomber build, using any skills for basic clearing is unnecessary, even in tier 18 (level 82) maps. Pain offering and vulnerability for map bosses only, you don't even need it for rares. Rares get popped before i even realize there's a rare on the screen in most cases.

I don't use raging spirit anymore either, that's just extra screen clutter and button presses that slow you down while clearing. IMO, omen scepter for critical weakness is better if you run snipers. I also managed to grab a +3 skeletal sniper jewel for 1 divine orb, so my snipers are really jacked in levels, they're level 35.

For survivabilty, run grim feast, I got 18.8k ES with grim feast, but it's possible to get over 20k ES with this sort of setup, I could probably get 24k+ if I drop 20 divs on a new ES armor.

Ignore the build on maxroll that tells you to use arsonists, it's flat out wrong. I got a level 97 witch - infernalist and I moved away from arsonists since they nerfed the spirit cost on them weeks ago. The nerf was legitimatey unjustified, IMO, there's too many other builds that clear faster, and do a lot more single target DPS than minions, they got no business nerfing anything minion related. The only pros for minions is it's a lazy build that doesn't require much input, but it's midding on clearing and single target DPS. You can completely turn your brain off, walk around and collect loot.

[KillJoy]

Originally posted by Pure Havik:

Originally posted by Generic-Raider:

lol 40fps that cute
come back when you are in maps getting 8fps from all the stuff going on

get a better PC bud, that's not even a game issue at that point. its your pc.

You don't even know his current configuration. For all you know he might have the fastest gaming CPU currently available.

[Rabantha]

Regardless of Arsonists not 'being the best' - I play what I find fun, it's EA, I'm not here to play META builds and make content trivial. I want to use Arsonists as I love how it looks and the chaotic nature of it all. The 'fix' shouldn't be don't use them haha

[Nefser]

1) OP complaint about performance issue

2) Thread explained that OP is running build with a lot of graphical overhead

3) Thread advised to not use some of the skills causing the graphical overhead

4) OP complains he won't play a 'meta' build and likes all the chaos.

You can't win.

[Rabantha]

Originally posted by Nefser:

1) OP complaint about performance issue

2) Thread explained that OP is running build with a lot of graphical overhead

3) Thread advised to not use some of the skills causing the graphical overhead

4) OP complains he won't play a 'meta' build and likes all the chaos.

You can't win.

Liking the Chaos and being ok with poor optimisation are completely different. Suggesting I change my build isn't really a solution is it... I was after a fix to make the build I'm currently playing run smoother, so I thought I'd ask the community incase anybody else has found anything that can help