BUG: quest item inscribed ultimatum disappears: can’t ascend..

[seanshineyouth]

Great game. But I’m withholding my review until they fix the bug where I can’t get my second ascendancy point bc the quest inscribed ultimatum disappears if you fail the first chaos trial… this is for their benefit that it review after a fix.
Everyone keeps saying “just take it out”. It doesn’t exist. It’s gone. And I’m HOPING there’s a workaround where another one drops and no harm no foul— but the chimera doesn’t drop it again, and act 3 monsters aren’t doing it either. So yeah I’m more than a title bummed.

[Lucent]

I never had an issue with my ultimatum disappearing.
You can find more at random.
Might be easier to ask if someone has a spare around your level.

[seanshineyouth]

I don’t even know how to trade. I’m a total noob and I’m on GeForce now

[Lyote]

I had this happen on my Merc.

I couldn't find a way to get the quest one back, but there is another guaranteed one that you can get during Act3 in Utzaal.

[seanshineyouth]

Originally posted by Lyote:

I had this happen on my Merc.

I couldn't find a way to get the quest one back, but there is another guaranteed one that you can get during Act3 in Utzaal.

Thank you for this— does that mean I need to do it on cruel, or can I be done on normal again? Where do I find it?

Also if I play through cruel, do I get my second ascendancy from the desert again? Or does second point have to be chaos?

[Lyote]

Originally posted by seanshineyouth:

Originally posted by Lyote:

I had this happen on my Merc.

I couldn't find a way to get the quest one back, but there is another guaranteed one that you can get during Act3 in Utzaal.

Thank you for this— does that mean I need to do it on cruel, or can I be done on normal again? Where do I find it?

Also if I play through cruel, do I get my second ascendancy from the desert again? Or does second point have to be chaos?

I'm not sure tbh.

I had some level 43 Ultimatums banked from alt drops, which worked for the second ascension.

Act 3 naturally has 2 Ultimatums.
The first one from the Chimera.
The second is an altar in Utzaal.

Shouldn't have to go to Cruel for it.
The banked one I used gave me mine at level 41.
Only trouble is, theyre not the quest ones, so you only get one attempt per coin.

[seanshineyouth]

Is the altar in utzaal missable? Maybe that’s why I only had 1?

[Lyote]

Originally posted by seanshineyouth:

Is the altar in utzaal missable? Maybe that’s why I only had 1?

Missable if you don't explore the map fully. Its super obvious when you find it, as its a pack of mobs guarding a shrine with an Ultimatum visible on it.

[xXBulletJusticeXx]

Originally posted by seanshineyouth:

Great game. But I’m withholding my review until they fix the bug where I can’t get my second ascendancy point bc the quest inscribed ultimatum disappears if you fail the first chaos trial… this is for their benefit that it review after a fix.
Everyone keeps saying “just take it out”. It doesn’t exist. It’s gone. And I’m HOPING there’s a workaround where another one drops and no harm no foul— but the chimera doesn’t drop it again, and act 3 monsters aren’t doing it either. So yeah I’m more than a title bummed.

You have to walk up to the start of the trial, click on the podium, click CLOSE and then click OPEN to try again.

[Lyote]

Originally posted by xXBulletJusticeXx:

Originally posted by seanshineyouth:

Great game. But I’m withholding my review until they fix the bug where I can’t get my second ascendancy point bc the quest inscribed ultimatum disappears if you fail the first chaos trial… this is for their benefit that it review after a fix.
Everyone keeps saying “just take it out”. It doesn’t exist. It’s gone. And I’m HOPING there’s a workaround where another one drops and no harm no foul— but the chimera doesn’t drop it again, and act 3 monsters aren’t doing it either. So yeah I’m more than a title bummed.

You have to walk up to the start of the trial, click on the podium, click CLOSE and then click OPEN to try again.

There is a bug involved.
On my Merc, The Chimera dropped the Ultimatum and i picked it up as normal.
Then i teleported over to the Trial and went to insert the thing and ... Its gone. Vanished. I no longer have an Ultimatum.
More specifically, I no longer had the Ultimatum flagged to be returned like Balbalas Coin is on a fail.

If this happens, you CAN still get your Ascendancy from other dropped Ultimatums (I used banked ones from other characters), However those DO NOT have the flag that returns it to you on a fail. They are simply consumed.

There is a second bug where the Ultimatum that drops from Chimera simply lacks that flag and is treated as a normal Ultimatum. Resulting in it being consumed by the trial like a standard one.
Unlike Balbala's Barya, which is a wholly separate item to the standard Djinn Barya, Ultimatum's are simply .. Ultimatums.
They should probably fix that and give the ones that unlock the third and final Ascension the same treatment as Balbala's Barya.

[xXBulletJusticeXx]

Originally posted by Lyote:

Originally posted by xXBulletJusticeXx:

You have to walk up to the start of the trial, click on the podium, click CLOSE and then click OPEN to try again.

There is a bug involved.
On my Merc, The Chimera dropped the Ultimatum and i picked it up as normal.
Then i teleported over to the Trial and went to insert the thing and ... Its gone. Vanished. I no longer have an Ultimatum.
More specifically, I no longer had the Ultimatum flagged to be returned like Balbalas Coin is on a fail.

If this happens, you CAN still get your Ascendancy from other dropped Ultimatums (I used banked ones from other characters), However those DO NOT have the flag that returns it to you on a fail. They are simply consumed.

There is a second bug where the Ultimatum that drops from Chimera simply lacks that flag and is treated as a normal Ultimatum. Resulting in it being consumed by the trial like a standard one.
Unlike Balbala's Barya, which is a wholly separate item to the standard Djinn Barya, Ultimatum's are simply .. Ultimatums.
They should probably fix that and give the ones that unlock the third and final Ascension the same treatment as Balbala's Barya.

hmm yes, I agree it should be fixed

Although, the entire ascendancy process should be altered in my opinion anyways, but that probably won't happen sadly.

[Lyote]

Originally posted by xXBulletJusticeXx:

Originally posted by Lyote:

There is a bug involved.
On my Merc, The Chimera dropped the Ultimatum and i picked it up as normal.
Then i teleported over to the Trial and went to insert the thing and ... Its gone. Vanished. I no longer have an Ultimatum.
More specifically, I no longer had the Ultimatum flagged to be returned like Balbalas Coin is on a fail.

If this happens, you CAN still get your Ascendancy from other dropped Ultimatums (I used banked ones from other characters), However those DO NOT have the flag that returns it to you on a fail. They are simply consumed.

There is a second bug where the Ultimatum that drops from Chimera simply lacks that flag and is treated as a normal Ultimatum. Resulting in it being consumed by the trial like a standard one.
Unlike Balbala's Barya, which is a wholly separate item to the standard Djinn Barya, Ultimatum's are simply .. Ultimatums.
They should probably fix that and give the ones that unlock the third and final Ascension the same treatment as Balbala's Barya.

hmm yes, I agree it should be fixed

Although, the entire ascendancy process should be altered in my opinion anyways, but that probably won't happen sadly.

the process itself is fine.
The trials are difficult but doable with trial and error (pun intended) over multiple attempts.
Just that the third and final Trials rely on RNG to get the coin for an attempt and you may just get screwed by RNG during the trial.
Honestly, Just give us quest coins at the appropriate level like the first 2 and we'd be golden.
Leave the RNG coins as challenges for the loot and the quest coins as tests to get your Ascensions.

[xXBulletJusticeXx]

Originally posted by Lyote:

Originally posted by xXBulletJusticeXx:

hmm yes, I agree it should be fixed

Although, the entire ascendancy process should be altered in my opinion anyways, but that probably won't happen sadly.

the process itself is fine.
The trials are difficult but doable with trial and error (pun intended) over multiple attempts.
Just that the third and final Trials rely on RNG to get the coin for an attempt and you may just get screwed by RNG during the trial.
Honestly, Just give us quest coins at the appropriate level like the first 2 and we'd be golden.
Leave the RNG coins as challenges for the loot and the quest coins as tests to get your Ascensions.

I'm more annoyed with the actual physical process of it.... see, with POE 1 system it was very obvious what you had to do, to get the next ascendancy point. From a new player perspective (we all just went through it) , there is zero indication to the player what steps needs to be taken next, to get the 3rd and then 4th ascendency completed. They patched it in so the coins and ultimatums now say if you get an ascendancy from completing them, but if you have yet to read it, or even aquire one, the player is left absolutely clueless.

This process needs to change, in my opinion.