Why is SSF so useless?

[Hindrigan]

Effectively you are playing SSF solo self found if you ignore trade. So what's the point of the entire mode? Currently SSF, according to what I've found, has zero bonuses/buffs to drop rates/rarity/quality/etc for anything. So, again. What's the point because i don't see any?

[JCourtney]

There isn't a point. It's masochist mode. The drop rates are designed around trade. Period.

[Stockwerk 13]

trade league is 110% pay2win

100 exalts sell for 1 dollar
1 divine sells for 2 dollar

working a minimum wage job at mc donalds is 10x effective than grinding the game

SSF is for people who do not like to play a pay2win game

[Stockwerk 13]

also trade = skipping the entire progression curve

Originally posted by JCourtney:

It's masochist mode. The drop rates are designed around trade.

the game actually is balanced for SSF and not trade.

Trade has no balance, you pay2win 20$ and you oneshot the entire game,
that is no balance and trade will never be balanced.

If you dont believe me, listen to Kripparian:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBmcuIoVEJM
12:06 for good explanation on SSF appeal and why the game is balanced for SSF and not trade

[Hindrigan]

Don't turn this into a discussion about the balance and BS of trade. This is about Solo Self Found having no place in the game currently. It literally does nothing other than remove aspects that a large portion of the player base already completely ignore out of frustration/desire because said aspects/mechanics are troublesome (to put lightly) with zero compensation. Trade, currently, doesn't even work well with all of it's internal problems, scammers and scalpers. It also isn't even usable for the vast majority of console players. So again, back to Solo Self Found. Why does it needlessly have no place?
Just buff the rates and you've fixed a lot with literally zero drawback.

[Nico]

You can say the very same thing about the Hardcore mode. It also only offers a single restriction and offers no benefits whatsoever, so you can also call it useless. So I wonder why you didn't mention that as well ... it's probably even a bigger problem than SSF due to the many random deaths.

[God Loves You]

If your playing Trade league, and you've bought your items - the only person you've cheated is yourself

You do realise in 2 months the league will be reset

[ThomasGreed]

if you are complaining about droprates in SSF you don´t really want SSF you want trade. You missed the whole point of SSF.

[Elgareth]

Originally posted by Hindrigan:

Effectively you are playing SSF solo self found if you ignore trade. So what's the point of the entire mode? Currently SSF, according to what I've found, has zero bonuses/buffs to drop rates/rarity/quality/etc for anything. So, again. What's the point because i don't see any?

If you don't care about leaderboards, you can simply play normally and just don't trade, then you have the same effect of SSF.
The only reason that it's a separate mode is for the SSF leaderboards, so noone can "cheat" by trading in that mode, you know that everyone who is on the top of SSF leaderboards did it without trading.

[TheMasterBlaster]

Originally posted by JCourtney:

There isn't a point. It's masochist mode. The drop rates are designed around trade. Period.

nonsense.

I'm not trading items but I am using the currency exchange. Learn how to craft and you will have all the gear you need along with the occasional useful drop. Trading is a cesspool anyway. Currently a lvl 78 Ranger-Pathfinder and easily clearing T8 maps, running my own build, nothing meta or researched online. If I don't reach the highest tier endgame, that's fine with me. When I reach the end of the road of what my current build can do, I'll level up a different class/build and enjoy that too.

to respond to the OP, the reason for SSF is for the accomplishment of 'doing it yourself'.

[Drifter]

It's an extra challenge and it changes the way you play the game. You have to find your own gear and craft on it. You basically have to make due with what you get. Know what to craft on and how to craft makes a huge difference. When you find a piece of gear that would have sold on trade for 10 exalted orbs, you get a huge dopamine boost, because on SSF, it's actually a huge upgrade for you and not just "another 10 ex."

I am having a blast in SSF at the moment and won't be returning to trade until there is a new economy without any exploits and magic find abuse. I recently crafted a pretty solid quarterstaff from just a normal item that dropped, tripling my damage. I would have never crafted on that item in a trade league, I would have just saved up some divines to buy it.

[RedShirt]

Originally posted by Hindrigan:

Effectively you are playing SSF solo self found if you ignore trade. So what's the point of the entire mode? Currently SSF, according to what I've found, has zero bonuses/buffs to drop rates/rarity/quality/etc for anything. So, again. What's the point because i don't see any?

The point is that you are forced and can separate the leagues.

If I want a challenge and play the game as intended I play ssf. If I want to roflstomp everything I play trade. It's a very different experience. I can switch whenever and don't need to keep track of what I found and what I bought.

So yeah, there is a point and the modes play very differently.

[Rogue]

Biased question at the get go, eh? No drama when playing SSF, just like the single player of yester years. Gear progression is natural, don't even need premium tabs.

[Codester]

Originally posted by God Loves You:

If your playing Trade league, and you've bought your items - the only person you've cheated is yourself

You do realise in 2 months the league will be reset

No not for EA.
EA league will remain until 1.0 happens, this is exactly how PoE1 worked as well. So this "league" will last between 9-12 months. Then these characters won't even be placed in standard, they will be placed in a separate EA league tab and nobody will play any of the EA characters because then the first official league will start.

[CitingRhyme]

Is it possible to switch your character from SSF mode to normal mode?

[Hindrigan]

you guys aren't even making points. using the 'if' stuff.
-SSF is not an extra challenge in ANY WAY. SSF doesn't change the way people play the game in any way. You still pick of everything you want and leave what you don't as well as craft what you want. The gameplay is the EXACT SAME. People play the same builds with the same desired gear. It's not a different experience at all. Using or not using trade does not count as a game's challenge. Trade is literally just an annoyance. Please stop with that nonsensical 'extra challenge' BS you've heard from someone else. Nothing's different between modes EXCEPT the trade so there CANNOT be a 'extra challenge'.
-"complaining about SSF drop rates means I've missed the point of SSF?" that makes zero sense. Everyone still wants to complete builds in the game/each season. Many people just don't want to be basically forced to trade to do so or spend 1000+ hours a season.