Elemental question

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SO im running grenade biuild which is pure fire was wondering if i used Blackflame Amethyst Ring , which turns fire damage to chaos is it worth it or no? im currently lvl 57 at act 2 chaos

[wulfster42]

I have not made a ignite based build, I have used ignite but never heavily focused on it.

I would only recommend that if you had a bunch of ignite boosting nodes in your tree and were focusing on very high ignite damage. The 50% magnitude increase alone might be worth it, if you have nodes that boost magnitude and duration already (duration to compensate for the penalty.

Converting it to chaos damage could let you get boosts from both fire AND chaos damage nodes, but honestly you are better off boosting the damage in other ways, then adding chaos to the mix.

So, I can see how it might work with a specialized build, but in general, unless you are doing a huge portion of your damage as ignite already, I just don't see it being worth it.

Boost the base fire damage as much as possible, boost the magnitude etc a bit (if its' on the way/along the way). Realize magnitude is based off the BASE damage you do, so if it's melee/ranged etc, boosting physical damage/melee damage/projectile damage/two handed damage etc etc will boost your base damage significantly, not only boosting the ignite, but the damage itself. That sadly is often better than focusing on magnitude increases for things like bleed/poison/ignite.

Using a whole ring to primarily get 50% magnitude and convert fire to chaos? Again, you would need a very specific build to make it worth it.

[Drake]

An important thing to know about blackflame. This is not a conversion of damage. Your ignite is still fire damage, mobs just take chaos instead of fire damage from the dot.

That means chaos damage won't buff the ignite damage unless you have another mod that changes the ignite mechanic use chaos damage instead of fire damage (which I don't think exists yet in poe 2).

The whole thing the mod does is just force mobs use chaos resist instead of fire resist to counter the burning damage from ignite.

Nothing changes from your side. You still build a fire mage. Except you will now use stuff that reduce chaos resists instead of fire resist.

IMO this is only useful in flamewall build. Maybe incinerate.

[Hiroko]

Originally posted by wulfster42:

Converting it to chaos damage could let you get boosts from both fire AND chaos damage nodes, but honestly you are better off boosting the damage in other ways, then adding chaos to the mix.

Enemies Ignited by you take Chaos Damage instead of Fire Damage from Ignite: This modifier causes enemies ignited by you to take the ignite damage as chaos damage instead of fire damage. Note that this is not conversion.

Offensively, ignites still scale with fire damage modifiers. The attacker's modifiers to chaos damage do not affect ignite, unless chaos damage contributes to ignite's magnitude.

Defensively, ignite is mitigated as chaos damage, by the enemy's chaos resistance and modifiers to chaos damage taken, such as Withered.

This means ignite can no longer benefit from effects that lower enemy fire resistance such as through exposure.

This also means that enemies with Chaos Inoculation or other sources of immunity to chaos damage will be unaffected by ignite. If a Blackflame ignite is reflected to the player, the same principles apply.

This effect also affects non-player Ignited Ground and ignite from other sources such as minions, as long as the enemy has an ignite from the player also present.

Although not listed on the item's modifiers, Blackflame appears to have retained the effects of Withered does not expire on Enemies Ignited by you from the original item in Path of Exile.[1]

- https://www.poe2wiki.net/wiki/Blackflame

[wulfster42]

Interesting, didn't know it couldn't be boosted with chaos damage boosts, but they are so low (7% a node I think?) that I already said it's not worth it.

Still don't think there are many (if any) builds that would benefit from using it. Fire damage can at least drop resists and make enemies take more fire damage etc. I know wither boosts chaos damage (20%? I think) but an enemy with fire exposure on them especially with it buffed, is gonna probably take alot more fire damage then they would even with wither going from chaos damage.

Anyway basically just don't think it's worth it.

[Hiroko]

Originally posted by wulfster42:

Interesting, didn't know it couldn't be boosted with chaos damage boosts, but they are so low (7% a node I think?) that I already said it's not worth it.

Still don't think there are many (if any) builds that would benefit from using it. Fire damage can at least drop resists and make enemies take more fire damage etc. I know wither boosts chaos damage (20%? I think) but an enemy with fire exposure on them especially with it buffed, is gonna probably take alot more fire damage then they would even with wither going from chaos damage.

Anyway basically just don't think it's worth it.

hard agree. Im sure there are builds out there that can make good use of it... but... how many would even come close to a pure fire ignite build? yuck, no thanks. At least not with the uniques/passives we have to work with right now. Maybe when more content is added.

[Drake]

Originally posted by wulfster42:

Interesting, didn't know it couldn't be boosted with chaos damage boosts, but they are so low (7% a node I think?) that I already said it's not worth it.

Still don't think there are many (if any) builds that would benefit from using it. Fire damage can at least drop resists and make enemies take more fire damage etc. I know wither boosts chaos damage (20%? I think) but an enemy with fire exposure on them especially with it buffed, is gonna probably take alot more fire damage then they would even with wither going from chaos damage.

Anyway basically just don't think it's worth it.

There are debuffs that can reduce chaos below 0%, like despair. Chaos damage has lower mods becasue mobs have lower chaos resists. Overall chaos is very good damage wise, especially for damage over time.