No Build variety.

[DELAMAIN]

You say wtf man.
I say Lightning and elemental.
I literaly have feeling that game punish for not using elemental damage.
Everywhere you look its Shock type of nodes and in reality Lightnibg builds not only Overperform but also everywhere on passive tree.

I liked my Galvanic Merc . I like Lightning concept.
But other types like Fire or Frost are underperforming.
PHYSICAL is uust pure....

Please add more fire/cold clasters for merc side.


I PLAY my own build on maps now. It feels great , looks great.
I do Physical damage Bleed crossbow.
Clearing screens with armour explosion.
Low Damage on Bosses.
WHY??
there is only 3 skills in Crossbow for physical damage to use for bleed...
And except armorpiece rou ds they all suck...
And BLEED itself sucks...low damage...

GEAR ROLLS

You can have phys% with elem %
You can have Damage of Phyc and Lighting
But you CANT have double phyc
Which means you are punished for not doing elemental in build.


CONCLUSION
so many great combos and build building mechanics but they all come to similar things and build types = elemental or Lightning.

[This PC]

Postat inițial de Cassbob:

Yes, there are far more builds in Diablo 4.

Playing ranger in poe 2 there are currently two options for example - lightning and poison. Poison sucks so there's only one option left if you want your character to be viable. Skill gems are only lightning and poison too. Nothing special, at the same time in Diablo there are multiple builds per season that are viable, and each changes the way you play.

Postat inițial de This PC:

You are litterally playing early access. 70% of the skills aren't out yet. I suspect about the same with support gems. You agreed to this when you bought your supporter pack.

Go play diablo then.
Problem is not with the game, but with your expectations. :P
Btw you didn't buy a game here, you bought the equivalent of a kickstarter package that gave you early access to the game. Game will be free on release, and it will be feature complete.

[Shade30Seven]

Postat inițial de This PC:

You are litterally playing early access. 70% of the skills aren't out yet. I suspect about the same with support gems. You agreed to this when you bought your supporter pack.

And again, I haven't tried melee in poe2, but from how you replied to other dude, it doesn't feel like you know ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ about poe at all.

you have nothing to prove to these people! they just bait these topics! dont give him the satisfaction hes just not worth!

[=][=Alduran=][=]

I am doing a Corrupting Cry Strength stacking Warcry Warbringer. Most fun I had with Warrior ever. You don't even need good gear. You only need strenght everywhere.
Good fun shouting everthing to death.

[GS:Juicy1s]

Postat inițial de Cassbob:

Yes, there are far more builds in Diablo 4.

Playing ranger in poe 2 there are currently two options for example - lightning and poison. Poison sucks so there's only one option left if you want your character to be viable. Skill gems are only lightning and poison too. Nothing special, at the same time in Diablo there are multiple builds per season that are viable, and each changes the way you play.

Last Epoch did better job at this too. This game is overhyped for no reason.

Poison is awesome, two gas arrows, and the correct support gems, you only need to kill 1 monster in a mob and the rest just pop behind it, how does that suck?

Not much different from the typical lightning arrow/rod spam and herald of thunder, All builds on all classes are viable, however not all of them insta-gib the screen.

[PsychaChi]

Postat inițial de GS:Juicy1s:

Postat inițial de Cassbob:

Yes, there are far more builds in Diablo 4.

Playing ranger in poe 2 there are currently two options for example - lightning and poison. Poison sucks so there's only one option left if you want your character to be viable. Skill gems are only lightning and poison too. Nothing special, at the same time in Diablo there are multiple builds per season that are viable, and each changes the way you play.

Last Epoch did better job at this too. This game is overhyped for no reason.

Poison is awesome, two gas arrows, and the correct support gems, you only need to kill 1 monster in a mob and the rest just pop behind it, how does that suck?

Not much different from the typical lightning arrow/rod spam and herald of thunder, All builds on all classes are viable, however not all of them insta-gib the screen.

But almost all builds right now use an elemental skill or damage type or conversion..

We dont have pure bleeds.

We also have to rely on elemental stacks into conversion and triggers to do any damage.

Pure physical builds are meh without an element to boost it.

"Path of Benders" is what we're playing. Are you a fire bender or a lightning herald? Choices are slim.

I recently caved and deleted my 80 gas arrow pathfinder because it also requires an element stack to increase poison on hit magnitude and made a new deadeye purely for herald of ice/thunder with lightning arrow...

Cant wait to clear screens for a week before the lightning nerfs and save up some currency and prep for a ice shot swap.

I miss bleed multishot from PoE 1 already...

[['w']]

6 classes out of 12 are released, so guess things might change

[Medicles]

Postat inițial de GS:Juicy1s:

Poison is awesome, two gas arrows, and the correct support gems, you only need to kill 1 monster in a mob and the rest just pop behind it, how does that suck?

Not much different from the typical lightning arrow/rod spam and herald of thunder, All builds on all classes are viable, however not all of them insta-gib the screen.

Because the damage is rather low. Its good for the campaign and enough for endgame but simply no competitor to anything Lightning.

[Shade30Seven]

Postat inițial de PsychaChi:

Pure physical builds are meh without an element to boost it.

I recently caved and deleted my 80 gas arrow pathfinder because it also requires an element stack to increase poison on hit magnitude and made a new deadeye purely for herald of ice/thunder with lightning arrow...

whats meh
is the build crafting and the skill issue! you know judging bye you're avatar wouldn't you be better off playing hello kitty sex simulator?

[Shade30Seven]

Postat inițial de Medicles:

Because the damage is rather low. Its good for the campaign and enough for endgame but simply no competitor to anything Lightning.

Skill issue

[drakk]

early access.
however there are already extremely effective builds outside of elementary, even if these seem to dominate.

Postat inițial de Shade30Seven:

whats meh
is the build crafting and the skill issue! you know judging bye you're avatar wouldn't you be better off playing hello kitty sex simulator?

wait...the game is finally released?

[Pervy]

Postat inițial de DELAMAIN:

Postat inițial de This PC:

GGG > here's an early version of the game, only a small selection of skills are implemented.
player > there's no build diversity it sucks



Did you know that there's nodes that boost all elemental damage and nodes that boost all spell damage ?

I see that game favors lightning over everything now.
I see that bleed clasters require two times more points then shock clsasters for much less result.
I see that pure physical damage builds are ubderperforming even with broken armor.

Try making a lightning sorc, and then make a ice... The fun stars at 0 with ice, lightning not even close.

[Pervy]

Postat inițial de PsychaChi:

Postat inițial de GS:Juicy1s:

Poison is awesome, two gas arrows, and the correct support gems, you only need to kill 1 monster in a mob and the rest just pop behind it, how does that suck?

Not much different from the typical lightning arrow/rod spam and herald of thunder, All builds on all classes are viable, however not all of them insta-gib the screen.

But almost all builds right now use an elemental skill or damage type or conversion..

We dont have pure bleeds.

We also have to rely on elemental stacks into conversion and triggers to do any damage.

Pure physical builds are meh without an element to boost it.

"Path of Benders" is what we're playing. Are you a fire bender or a lightning herald? Choices are slim.

I recently caved and deleted my 80 gas arrow pathfinder because it also requires an element stack to increase poison on hit magnitude and made a new deadeye purely for herald of ice/thunder with lightning arrow...

Cant wait to clear screens for a week before the lightning nerfs and save up some currency and prep for a ice shot swap.

I miss bleed multishot from PoE 1 already...

Did you notice half the skills and weapons are missing? Did you also notice that passive skills thats not "working" ingame is already in?

Axes uses bleed and they are not added yet... Wait for the content thats related to bleed god dangit.

[Shade30Seven]

Postat inițial de drakk:

early access.
however there are already extremely effective builds outside of elementary, even if these seem to dominate.

Postat inițial de Shade30Seven:

whats meh
is the build crafting and the skill issue! you know judging bye you're avatar wouldn't you be better off playing hello kitty sex simulator?

wait...the game is finally released?

Skill issue!

[TyresTyco]

Well. OP is kinda right.. I'm playing a witchhunter myself right now and everything but lightning skills and the very first shotgun skill sucks.

I wanted to make rapidfire work.. but fire dmg in this game sucks right now.

Ballistas need heavy investment to feel good.

Merc needs a lot of work.

Galvanic feels like it's bugged since using it against bosses often does nothing. But for clearing and applying shock to use shockburst on bosses feels great.

I'm sure GGG will work on it tho. They said many times that they have no real grasp on build balance before EA release.

[Pervy]

Postat inițial de TyresTyco:

Well. OP is kinda right.. I'm playing a witchhunter myself right now and everything but lightning skills and the very first shotgun skill sucks.

I wanted to make rapidfire work.. but fire dmg in this game sucks right now.

Ballistas need heavy investment to feel good.

Merc needs a lot of work.

Galvanic feels like it's bugged since using it against bosses often does nothing. But for clearing and applying shock to use shockburst on bosses feels great.

I'm sure GGG will work on it tho. They said many times that they have no real grasp on build balance before EA release.

Fire is underwhelming, the best fire builds converts all fire to cold O.o