Cast on Minion Death, Raging Spirits and minion resists

[Shajirr]

Cast on Minion Death meta gem can be fueled by Raging Spirits dying from Infernal Legion support.
Which works very well, you get free skill casts just for casting Firewalls.

However, there is a problem. If you take too many minion resists, fire specifically, RS won't die before expiring - Cast on Death stops getting charged. Which kills this setup.

So, is there a way to calculate the max minion fire resist at which RS will still burn to death before expiring?

The main problem is that RS duration, neither current not base, is not mentioned anywhere.

[Knavenformed]

There's little reason to run additional minions on top of that combo
Rather have a fully optimized flame staff and drop the skeletal minions

[Shajirr]

Originally posted by Knavenformed:

There's little reason to run additional minions on top of that combo
Rather have a fully optimized flame staff and drop the skeletal minions

No, its on a minion build, not a spellcaster build.

I cast Firewall just to summon RS, the firewall itself does almost no damage.

Should have mentioned it in the beginning.

[Knavenformed]

Originally posted by Shajirr:

Originally posted by Knavenformed:

There's little reason to run additional minions on top of that combo
Rather have a fully optimized flame staff and drop the skeletal minions

No, its on a minion build, not a spellcaster build.

I cast Firewall just to summon RS, the firewall itself does almost no damage.

Should have mentioned it in the beginning.

But are you running other minions than RS?
I don't exactly know what's the "hot ♥♥♥♥" version of RS, but personally I'd rather go RS only with Grim Harvest as second Spirit Gem and just run it as a Fire Sorc on the side

[Shajirr]

I run other minions of course, by themselves RS are not viable at all, but that's not really relevant to the thread.

> and just run it as a Fire Sorc on the side

That doesn't work at all. You can't split damage between minions and spells, they require different nodes and mods for damage, you'll be sh1t at both then.

[Knavenformed]

Originally posted by Shajirr:

That doesn't work at all. You can't split damage between minions and spells, they require different nodes and mods for damage, you'll be sh1t at both then.

Well you are running to this problem since you're investing too heavily on the other minions with RS

I can totally see a working Fireball RS build that skips most of the minion resistance and revive perks, which is over half of them anyways, sure running a pure caster would be better but I'm not sure if it's too much lost potential.

But I hope someone can help you further with the actual question lol
But probably now you've invested off yourself already

[Pencillus Sedatus]

just get the unique fireflower + the passives to pass on amulet to minion and you will know immediately because they will kill themselves

[Trunks]

You shouldnt run resist if you want the SRS to kill itself. They nerfed cast on death to hell so its not worth anymore.

[ominumi]

Too bad you can't cast Fire Wall on minion death which will spawn Raging Spirit that will die just to cast Fire Wall causing an infinite loop.

[Baked Potato]

Use Minion Pact support gem on your main skill (if possible), it consume 1 of your minion and add energy to the Cast On Minions Death. That how I was triggering it in campaign.

[Psycha]

Originally posted by Trunks:

You shouldnt run resist if you want the SRS to kill itself. They nerfed cast on death to hell so its not worth anymore.

Yea they should just remove meta gems then. You have to use at least 4 of them to get even a fraction of what it use to be on screen.

[Shajirr]

Originally posted by Baked Potato:

Use Minion Pact support gem on your main skill (if possible), it consume 1 of your minion and add energy to the Cast On Minions Death. That how I was triggering it in campaign.

That works, but its not efficient. RS bring me 10 deaths at once, whil with this I would need to cast the skill 10 times, instead of 2, AND potentially others, way more important minions will die, not just RS.

RS remain the fastest way to charge Cast on Death gem.
2 skill casts = 10 deaths, and no risk of other minions getting sacrificed instead.

> You shouldnt run resist

No you still should, just got to find the max possible ones before it stops working.
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So from my recent tests, with RS + Infernal Legion:

8% res = doesn't work already

+ Feeding Frenzy + 17% res = works
+ Feeding Frenzy + 20% res = doesn't work

+ Feeding Frenzy + Minion Instability + 40% res = works
+ Feeding Frenzy + Minion Instability + 44% res = doesn't work

So the more damage RS do to themselves and the faster they die, the more res you can take.
Bumping skill duration should raise the res cap too, probably, since RS duration is not mentioned anywhere, but I already taken all nearby nodes for that.

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Fireflower is unfortunately out of the question, since it will kill the dog too, AND its too high of an opportunity cost - amulet is a must to have +2 to minion skills on. Each level is like a x1.2 times final minion damage multipler. I checked this by equipping +2 and +3 minion skills sceptre. Skill levels are probably the biggest damage increase you can get.

Sacrificing an amulet is a HORRIBLE idea, unless it would be something totally, unbelievably busted on minions, that would counteract the loss of +2 skills AND 50 spirit.

[Pencillus Sedatus]

Originally posted by PsychaChi:

Originally posted by Trunks:

You shouldnt run resist if you want the SRS to kill itself. They nerfed cast on death to hell so its not worth anymore.

Yea they should just remove meta gems then. You have to use at least 4 of them to get even a fraction of what it use to be on screen.

Jungroan has that one build that is still cool to use, not insane good but decent. Can easily clear tier 8+ at level 80