Chaos Inoculation is useless, scuffed and nerfed into infinity!

[Throbbin' Wood]

So I have been running CI on my Stormweaver for a few days now and I have to say with the absence of any ES leech apart from Grim Feast, a useless 30 spirit waste for bossing in most cases and the absolutely nuts decisions of removing custom flask setups, I have to voice my frustration.
Chaos damage which poison is a part of, should NOT affect your ES or apply a dot that prevents passive recharge, your only source of reliable life support with a useless flask slot and a charge based stupid charm that you cannot even trigger manually. Burning ground and the likes are annoying enough to deal with and not everyone wants to run an RMT backed multi-mirror build in a literally weeks old early access.
I don't know if I am the only one with that issue or if I am missing something but at the current state of the game, CI seems to be a waste of resources and an overall nerf favoring life based builds by a big margin with flasks, leech, gain on hit, gain on kill...

Please elaborate if I am missing something, this is literally getting frustrating...

[SeiKz]

it's not useless, i don't use CI and i die only to chaos damage even with max res because it's overpowered right now

[Throbbin' Wood]

Publicado originalmente por Throbbin' Wood:

Publicado originalmente por SeiKz:

it's not useless, i don't use CI and i die only to chaos damage even with max res because it's overpowered right now

Point being? It is still nerfed with no active shield regen apart from 50% drop chance on death of trash for 30 wasted spirit on Grim Feast spirit gem ability. If you die with capped resists you might either need more health, dodge better, get better flasks or more life leech on hit/percentage of dmg leeched as life which is the big advantage any life-based defense has. You didn't specify your class so I can't really assess what's going on....

Thanks for the bump though but you don't make any sense.

Edit:

Publicado originalmente por Kixus:

are you mad, kiddie? are you going to cry? mimimmiimmimi
skill issue
ES/CI is broken yet again, just like it was 10+ years ago in poe1, but you need some brain cells to make it work, which you clearly lack.

So, got any input or just toxic crap to spew? I was asking for input or if I am missing something, enlighten me, mr toxic grown ass man with a private profile and probably stuck in act 3.

[p00se2]

Publicado originalmente por Kixus:

are you mad, kiddie? are you going to cry? mimimmiimmimi
skill issue
ES/CI is broken yet again, just like it was 10+ years ago in poe1, but you need some brain cells to make it work, which you clearly lack.

Publicado originalmente por Throbbin' Wood:

So, got any input or just toxic crap to spew? I was asking for input or if I am missing something, enlighten me, mr toxic grown ass man with a private profile and probably stuck in act 3.

toxic dude is lacking braincells for sure

[SeiKz]

Publicado originalmente por Throbbin' Wood:

Publicado originalmente por SeiKz:

it's not useless, i don't use CI and i die only to chaos damage even with max res because it's overpowered right now

Point being? It is still nerfed with no active shield regen apart from 50% drop chance on death of trash for 30 wasted spirit on Grim Feast spirit gem ability. If you die with capped resists you might either need more health, dodge better, get better flasks or more life leech on hit/percentage of dmg leeched as life which is the big advantage any life-based defense has. You didn't specify your class so I can't really assess what's going on....

Thanks for the bump though but you don't make any sense.

well the point is that being immune to chaos damage is good, i have 4kES+1,1hp and i die in 1s to chaos monsters, i need to play slow and frost wall all places because of it, while i can tank any other kind, so CI is not useless,

[Volonur]

If passive ES Recharge is not something you can play with, then Eternal Youth keystone on passive tree is what you need. It is also only 5 points away from CI keystone(1 of the 5 being jewel socket), so it's not a big investment points-wise.

[JCD]

Advantages of ES right now:
-Makes you immune to bleed (tooltip is bugged right now)
-Scales way better than armor since more/stronger passive nodes
-Eternal Youth makes life flask apply to ES
-Ghostwrithe counts base life as extra ES even after taking CI
-CI grants poison/chaos immunity

You may take more damage from smaller physical hits with no armor but the DR vs big hits is similar as with armor characters (with current armor formula) and on top of having a way bigger EHP.

[Throbbin' Wood]

Publicado originalmente por p00se2:

Publicado originalmente por Kixus:

are you mad, kiddie? are you going to cry? mimimmiimmimi
skill issue
ES/CI is broken yet again, just like it was 10+ years ago in poe1, but you need some brain cells to make it work, which you clearly lack.

Publicado originalmente por Throbbin' Wood:

So, got any input or just toxic crap to spew? I was asking for input or if I am missing something, enlighten me, mr toxic grown ass man with a private profile and probably stuck in act 3.

toxic dude is lacking braincells for sure :summeryeti:

Yeah I checked his post history, just a toxic troll, not worth any further mention...

Publicado originalmente por SeiKz:

Publicado originalmente por Throbbin' Wood:

Point being? It is still nerfed with no active shield regen apart from 50% drop chance on death of trash for 30 wasted spirit on Grim Feast spirit gem ability. If you die with capped resists you might either need more health, dodge better, get better flasks or more life leech on hit/percentage of dmg leeched as life which is the big advantage any life-based defense has. You didn't specify your class so I can't really assess what's going on....

Thanks for the bump though but you don't make any sense.

well the point is that being immune to chaos damage is good, i have 4kES+1,1hp and i die in 1s to chaos monsters, i need to play slow and frost wall all places because of it, while i can tank any other kind, so CI is not useless,

I don't get why you have that little life if you don't run CI, chaos penetrates through ES, you are literally playing with your 1,1k life vs any chaos nuke. Stack life not ES, get a good flask and you're fine. Your problem is homemade since you're running a sorc or witch with CI easily accessible then stacking ES not life without CI. You basically MADE your defenses vulnerable to chaos.
And my complaint is about poison (chaos damage) affecting ES and preventing passive recharge, the only reliable source of ES due to the absence of leech and no options in flask slots like in POE1 to remedy it.

Publicado originalmente por JCD:

Advantages of ES right now:
-Makes you immune to bleed (tooltip is bugged right now)
-Scales way better than armor since more/stronger passive nodes
-Eternal Youth makes life flask apply to ES
-Ghostwrithe counts base life as extra ES even after taking CI
-CI grants poison/chaos immunity

You may take more damage from smaller physical hits with no armor but the DR vs big hits is similar as with armor characters (with current armor formula) and on top of having a way bigger EHP.

Immune to poison AOE yes, immune to poison no, preventing ES passive recharge.

Publicado originalmente por Volonur:

If passive ES Recharge is not something you can play with, then Eternal Youth keystone on passive tree is what you need. It is also only 5 points away from CI keystone(1 of the 5 being jewel socket), so it's not a big investment points-wise.

This! great idea, thanks a ton <3

[SeiKz]

Publicado originalmente por Throbbin' Wood:

Publicado originalmente por p00se2:

toxic dude is lacking braincells for sure :summeryeti:

Yeah I checked his post history, just a toxic troll, not worth any further mention...

Publicado originalmente por SeiKz:

well the point is that being immune to chaos damage is good, i have 4kES+1,1hp and i die in 1s to chaos monsters, i need to play slow and frost wall all places because of it, while i can tank any other kind, so CI is not useless,

I don't get why you have that little life if you don't run CI, chaos penetrates through ES, you are literally playing with your 1,1k life vs any chaos nuke. Stack life not ES, get a good flask and you're fine. Your problem is homemade since you're running a sorc or witch with CI easily accessible then stacking ES not life without CI. You basically MADE your defenses vulnerable to chaos.
And my complaint is about poison (chaos damage) affecting ES and preventing passive recharge, the only reliable source of ES due to the absence of leech and no options in flask slots like in POE1 to remedy it.

chaos dont penetrate throught ES, never happened to me, chaos monsters just remove 4k of my shield like nothing, so my extra life saved me from bosses atks alot of times, if i go CI i need to change my build and items, but im not the one saying that CI is useless

[Throbbin' Wood]

Publicado originalmente por SeiKz:

Publicado originalmente por Throbbin' Wood:

Yeah I checked his post history, just a toxic troll, not worth any further mention...



I don't get why you have that little life if you don't run CI, chaos penetrates through ES, you are literally playing with your 1,1k life vs any chaos nuke. Stack life not ES, get a good flask and you're fine. Your problem is homemade since you're running a sorc or witch with CI easily accessible then stacking ES not life without CI. You basically MADE your defenses vulnerable to chaos.
And my complaint is about poison (chaos damage) affecting ES and preventing passive recharge, the only reliable source of ES due to the absence of leech and no options in flask slots like in POE1 to remedy it.

chaos dont penetrate throught ES, never happened to me, chaos monsters just remove 4k of my shield like nothing, so my extra life saved me from bosses atks alot of times, if i go CI i need to change my build and items, but im not the one saying that CI is useless

This is from the Wiki:
Chaos damage is one of the five damage types. It can be mitigated by chaos resistance. Chaos damage has the effect of removing twice as much energy shield when dealing damage.

You are right, it doesn't bypass ES anymore, it just does 2x damage to ES over life. The bypass is from POE1, my bad.
Still useless to not run CI with that life/shield ratio. Use Heavy Buffer and maybe a Ghostwrithe to get as many points from life into ES as possible and run CI? Maybe?

[Throbbin' Wood]

Publicado originalmente por Throbbin' Wood:

Publicado originalmente por SeiKz:

chaos dont penetrate throught ES, never happened to me, chaos monsters just remove 4k of my shield like nothing, so my extra life saved me from bosses atks alot of times, if i go CI i need to change my build and items, but im not the one saying that CI is useless

This is from the Wiki:
Chaos damage is one of the five damage types. It can be mitigated by chaos resistance. Chaos damage has the effect of removing twice as much energy shield when dealing damage.

You are right, it doesn't bypass ES anymore, it just does 2x damage to ES over life. The bypass is from POE1, my bad. Poison and bleeding do directly affect life.
Still useless to not run CI with that life/shield ratio. Use Heavy Buffer and maybe a Ghostwrithe to get as many points from life into ES as possible and run CI? Maybe?