Did you ever trade (buy) a weapon because you only looked at the dps

[['w']]

and forgot to include your own build in the calculation?

like crit chance
crit dmg
or speed

Today a warstaff dropped for me, with some good stats, 1 exalt later and an uneventful corruption (socketed and quality was ready), I wanted to sell it for 20ex.

No one showed interest to get it, so I equipped it and realized that it was even better then my old warstaff.

Then after killing the endboss of sekhema, I bought a new one, 4div which is better, because it can leech mana and life and has some int, but ofc no dmg multiplier on it.

Turns out to have the same dps, lol.

If you now search for weapons and don't understand the trade tool, your own build and how to calc everything, you will still end up with some equipment which only looks good at first glance .

And no one will buy the staff because it is a niche one, for lightning build and if you search for it on the market and don't include crit multiplier in the search it will always turn out worse.

what a story mark

[Pipakrax]

Yeah there is powerfull affix like +X to melee skills or +X to spell skills which is VERY powerfull for damage. Also, elemental damage added, even with low number, can turbo scale very high depending on your build and skill/support gems. Sometimes it's surprising.

Also, accuracy tend to boost DPS, but its artificial DPS. In fact, the game do weird calculus like "you miss less hits, so you have more dps". But that's stupid because if my DPS is 100 damage, I hit a mob and do 100 damage each hit, and if I had 100% accuracy, my damage wont do 110 or 120 etc... But it's even more complicated because the chance to hit are calculated for 2metre distance, and we know that the damage scale down the more distanced of the mobs you are but we don't know the number.

There is also attack speed that boost your damage a lot.

All of that interacts with your passive tree and gems and be banger.

[SeiKz]

i bought a full set with 20ex, did T1 to T15 with it, cheap because im not following any premade builds and it's good with my build, didn't drop any better, so what i learned it can be trash for people following builds but can be good for people that can make their own builds

[['w']]

Originally posted by SeiKz:

i bought a full set with 20ex, did T1 to T15 with it, cheap because im not following any premade builds and it's good with my build, didn't drop any better, so what i learned it can be trash for people following builds but can be good for people that can make their own builds

Gladly I don't follow one. Depends on the situation I believe.

I also bought my gear for few ex at the start an insanly good staff for 1ex.

Item Class: Quarterstaves
Rarity: Rare
Entropy Mast
Expert Gothic Quarterstaff
--------
[Quality]: +20% (augmented)
[Physical] Damage: 139-233 (augmented)
[ElementalDamage|Elemental] Damage: 42-68 (augmented), 7-212 (augmented)
[Critical|Critical Hit] Chance: 11.50%
Attacks per Second: 1.40
--------
Requirements:
Level: 67
[Dexterity|Dex]: 135
[Intelligence|Int]: 53
--------
Sockets: S S S
--------
Item Level: 79
--------
60% increased [Physical] Damage (rune)
--------
51% increased [Physical] Damage
Adds 42 to 68 [Cold|Cold] Damage
Adds 7 to 212 [Lightning|Lightning] Damage
+113 to [Accuracy|Accuracy] Rating
+29 to [Dexterity|Dexterity]
+30 to [Intelligence|Intelligence]
[ManaLeech|Leeches] 5.74% of [Physical|Physical] Damage as Mana
--------
[Corrupted]


That's the staff that dropped, insane luck I believe, even more luck that I didn't kill it with chaos corruption:

Item Class: Quarterstaves
Rarity: Rare
Phoenix Branch
Expert Slicing Quarterstaff
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[Quality]: +20% (augmented)
[Physical] Damage: 189-333 (augmented)
[ElementalDamage|Elemental] Damage: 7-11 (augmented), 6-10 (augmented), 3-212 (augmented)
[Critical|Critical Hit] Chance: 10.00%
Attacks per Second: 1.40
--------
Requirements:
Level: 77
[Dexterity|Dex]: 165
[Intelligence|Int]: 64
--------
Sockets: S S
--------
Item Level: 80
--------
Adds 7 to 11 [Fire|Fire] Damage (rune)
Adds 6 to 10 [Cold|Cold] Damage (rune)
--------
94% increased [Physical] Damage
Adds 16 to 35 [Physical|Physical] Damage
Adds 3 to 212 [Lightning|Lightning] Damage
+28% to [CriticalDamageBonus|Critical Damage Bonus]
Gain 7 Mana per Enemy Killed
30% increased [Stun|Stun] Duration
--------
[Corrupted]
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Note: ~price 3 divine

[['w']]

Originally posted by Pipakrax:

Yeah there is powerfull affix like +X to melee skills or +X to spell skills which is VERY powerfull for damage. Also, elemental damage added, even with low number, can turbo scale very high depending on your build and skill/support gems. Sometimes it's surprising.

Also, accuracy tend to boost DPS, but its artificial DPS. In fact, the game do weird calculus like "you miss less hits, so you have more dps". But that's stupid because if my DPS is 100 damage, I hit a mob and do 100 damage each hit, and if I had 100% accuracy, my damage wont do 110 or 120 etc... But it's even more complicated because the chance to hit are calculated for 2metre distance, and we know that the damage scale down the more distanced of the mobs you are but we don't know the number.

There is also attack speed that boost your damage a lot.

All of that interacts with your passive tree and gems and be banger.

What really surprised me was that casting increases the charged staff speed :)

Wonder if +2 to melee is usefull, had it with the monk, now I took even more speed instead. Falcon technique instead of reaching strike

might have even lost 2% speed because of the new staff, less dex on it, very convoluted

[FrontenStuermer]

The chance to get a very good weapon isnt high i would say.
I have a very strong now and upgraded it.
Sometimes you must decide between dps, crit or attack speed.
Sometimes you must increase some values with armor and not weapon.

My ranger uses a level 12 quiver with level 35 because the stats are incredible good
with more bow damage, critchance, attackspeed.

I dont have the feeling higher quivers are better.
Sometimes it felt like are no big difference in extra stats( dont mean the values aof avoid, energyshield and armor).

[Pipakrax]

Originally posted by w:

Originally posted by Pipakrax:

Yeah there is powerfull affix like +X to melee skills or +X to spell skills which is VERY powerfull for damage. Also, elemental damage added, even with low number, can turbo scale very high depending on your build and skill/support gems. Sometimes it's surprising.

Also, accuracy tend to boost DPS, but its artificial DPS. In fact, the game do weird calculus like "you miss less hits, so you have more dps". But that's stupid because if my DPS is 100 damage, I hit a mob and do 100 damage each hit, and if I had 100% accuracy, my damage wont do 110 or 120 etc... But it's even more complicated because the chance to hit are calculated for 2metre distance, and we know that the damage scale down the more distanced of the mobs you are but we don't know the number.

There is also attack speed that boost your damage a lot.

All of that interacts with your passive tree and gems and be banger.

What really surprised me was that casting increases the charged staff speed :)

Wonder if +2 to melee is usefull, had it with the monk, now I took even more speed instead. Falcon technique instead of reaching strike

might have even lost 2% speed because of the new staff, less dex on it, very convoluted

I think everything depend on the passive tree and the gems you use, especially support gems. There can be insane interaction with even low stats on your weapon because sometimes things are not additive but multiplicative. +2 lvl melee skill don't seem that much, but i can increase some skills damage by maybe 30-40%, but it its multiplicated by 2 because of support gem and multiplicated again by 2 or 3 because of passive tree, so this "only 30% increase" become 120%, which make it stronger at the end.

[['w']]

Okay a different bucket I guess, oh well, good to know

[MP]

Originally posted by w:

and forgot to include your own build in the calculation?....

Happened to me before in other games but i stopped playing trade league in these games and enjoy myself now fully in exclusive SSF mode.
No bs, no economy, no bots, no spam, no scam.
You should try it if you want to preserve your nerves.

;)

[Pipakrax]

Originally posted by MP:

Originally posted by w:

and forgot to include your own build in the calculation?....

Happened to me before in other games but i stopped playing trade league in these games and enjoy myself now fully in exclusive SSF mode.
No bs, no economy, no bots, no spam, no scam.
You should try it if you want to preserve your nerves.

;)

and you forget to say "you should try it if yo want preserve your nerves AND stay blocked forever in campaign because you can't beat bosses because there is no loot". Time freeze simulator/campaign simulator.

Im kind of trolling but you see the point.

I won't play SSF until there is deterministic crafting and/or deterministic looting.

[MP]

Originally posted by Pipakrax:

and you forget to say "you should try it if yo want preserve your nerves AND stay blocked forever in campaign because you can't beat bosses because there is no loot". Time freeze simulator/campaign simulator.

Im kind of trolling but you see the point.

I won't play SSF until there is deterministic crafting and/or deterministic looting.

Fair point but i play SSF and i am in t10+ maps now. No need for trading. Crafting is fine for me personally.
Drops are okay but could be tuned up in quality a bit, i agree.