PoE 2 or Last Epoch ?

[Fluffy Newfoundland]

Okay, so i'm wondering if i should buy PoE II or Last Epoch rn ? (i know i should both) Both are at the same price.

I keep hearing that the end content of both games are pretty bad rn. But LE seems more enjoyable for solo playing rn and with more QoL/refined experience.

From reading this forum for a few days, there's seems to be quite a few issue with PoE II rn, like armor being useless, end game content being pretty bad and a broken economy.

So should i just buy LE rn and buy PoE II for February/Mars for when the first few patches roll in and fix things a lil bit ? (I know the game will be free on release but i kindda plan on getting the EA for some skins/coins for stash tabs. Btw shoud i buy the Premium stash tabs for 150 coins each or just take the pack of 6 normal stash tabs ? Or can you get both ? Are stash tab limited or can you go bullocks ?)

Also what with the campaign of PoE II ? (I know the campaign of LE isn't finished yet) I know act 4 - 6 are lock for now, but i keep reading that those act are just a replay of act 1 - 3 or something ? Is that true ?

[Mortiaris]

Last Epoch have better crafting and its easier to go for target stats you need, classes are well done and skills. Main problems are clunky animations and not all skills looks and feel good. There is many funny chase items and uniques, plus game not waste your time with gamble like poe 2. You can play this game ssf, online economy is broken by streamers and bots.

Poe have better graphic, better bosses, almost all skills are good, loot is ok, but best items you need to buy and economy is same broken. End game is trash in both games. Poe 2 is cheaper than last epoch. Crafting is full gamble.

Still best H&S game is Grim Dawn, but have really old graphic

[NO FATE]

POE 1 forever

[GamerBee]

Originally posted by TyresTyco:

Originally posted by GamerBee:

Last Epoch is a more balanced. I think poe2 is a quarter game right now. (bad loot drop and unbalanced skills)

By more balanced you mean that everything that is not a falconer and warlock is instantly bottom tier, right?

Using the world balanced togehter with LE is like admitting you never played the game in the first place.

You played LE for 30 hours.. I dont think you actually know anything about LE.

Originally posted by Stockwerk 13:

Last Epoch has the BEST crafting in ALL of ARPGs

PoE2 has the WORST crafting in ALL of ARPGS (yes even Diablo4 crafting is better than PoE2)

LOL LE's crafting is literally also just gamba garbage at the endgame.

Good at first,.. absolutely rng poopfest at the end.

Yeah current poe 2 crafting is just gamba .. not really crafting. Every system in all 3 games are bad right now.

How ridiculous to assume that I've played for 30 hours just by looking at my profile. Do I only have one account? I have no intention of explaining it to you. And yes, I have played almost every class and I think they are balanced. I can also do the Endgame part very easily.

[Irrelevant]

So I played my fair share of LE mostly on the old launcher that is no more.

LE is in a bad state right now and only the hardcore fans on the official forum of the game will defend it like a hill to die on. LE isn't bad but the progress of the game is devolving for a long time. They stepped back from their balancing goals because they seem to be unable to meet them. They can't balance stuff no matter what. The engine is crap and LE will most likely never look as good as other games. While LE has skilltrees for skills that change the skills so much... they rarely do. LE is pretty repetetive with no "Hell Yeah!" moments you can get out of other ARPGs. Right now it's a bit boring but has a good foundation and maybe in 2-12 months they come up with something intresting.

PoE2 started, from my point of view, with the most boring classes that feel mindnumbing to play. The big bossfights are the best I ever encountered in the genre and are kind of hard untill you understand them but after this period they are all pushovers.
The balance of PoE2 is equaly messed up then LE's but PoE is in EA or kind of a beta state so to speak.
What is intresting to me is that PoE is redoing all the bad stuff they did in the past. Amour is crap, ES is utterly OP, Rarity is bonkers, using the most unliked season mechanics as ascendency mechanics and so on and so forth. It looks like the PoE devs are resistent to learning from their past issues and redo them again and again.

The Endgame of both games is equaly boring while the citadels in PoE2 are so random you can fail to find them for days worth of playtime without gaining much playing it. While LE is even more boring because you redo the same stuff again and again with so little randomized maps that you most likely know where to run in an blink of an eye with rather unintresting bosses.

LE crafting is far easier and less random then PoE2 crafting so it's more realistic you can achive your goals easier. Then again the legendary crafting in LE is kind of a mess because the best items in LE has drop rates qual to winning the lottery or getting struck by lightning twice.

I played several thousands of hours less of PoE2 then LE so take my comments about PoE2 with a grain of salt because I'm bit of a noob when it comes to PoE in general. LE had a big stop in development because they needed to work out a lot of stuff so people are stuck for a lot of time in the same season.

Sooo right now I would buy PoE2 because when LE moves on you can look into the game and save some bucks untill then and most likely buy it if you are still intrested in it.

[IceBerg]

since people want more online service games, online arpgs will die

[Heartbeach]

Originally posted by Gladiator:

Originally posted by Heartbeach:

I suggest you LAST EPOCH, but LAST EPOCH is still requiring mastery switch. PATH OF EXILE II is still requiring ascendancy switch, and stash tab expansion by gold instead of real world money.

Don't listen to him, spam bot, claim that PoE is p2w and making false advertising for like 7 days or more.

Why were you devastating PATH OF EXILE II? Stop it.

[Irrelevant]

Originally posted by IceBerg:

since people want more online service games, online arpgs will die

Where did you get this from? Was there a studie on the topic I missed? Most people I know, and those are not many tbf, want good SP or MP games they buy once and get an addon for along the lines of Grim Dawn to stay in the genre. Most people I know dislike games as a service with a lot of passion.

I don't realy care but I'm intrested who these people are and where the evidence for this claim is coming from.

On top of it ARPGs are a niche market and will most likely always find some players that look for such games.

[GamerBee]

Originally posted by Irrelevant:

Originally posted by IceBerg:

since people want more online service games, online arpgs will die

Where did you get this from? Was there a studie on the topic I missed? Most people I know, and those are not many tbf, want good SP or MP games they buy once and get an addon for along the lines of Grim Dawn to stay in the genre. Most people I know dislike games as a service with a lot of passion.

I don't realy care but I'm intrested who these people are and where the evidence for this claim is coming from.

On top of it ARPGs are a niche market and will most likely always find some players that look for such games.

I totally agree. @Fluffy Newfoundland if he wanted a different game I would definitely recommend Grim Dawn. I think it will be much better with the new dlc that is coming.

[DeathBringer]

I've never played Last epoch but PoE 2 is really cool. I would recommend you. Besides of the bugs the game is very fun.
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About economy, you don't need to trade/buy anything on the game. People do it because they can't grind.
I myself play on no trade mode, love it.

--- the game ain't finished. There'll be 3 more acts and more classes, like assassn, druid, hunter etc... You can see the videos.

And then buy Epoch later.

[Octarius]

Last Epoch all the way. POE2 is horribly overhyped game with completely blind, coping and shilling community

[NotxEevee]

Originally posted by GamerBee:

How ridiculous to assume that I've played for 30 hours just by looking at my profile. Do I only have one account? I have no intention of explaining it to you.

Assuming that one person = one account on Steam except if they're a bot or a cheater is quite literally the most common take.

Originally posted by GamerBee:

And yes, I have played almost every class and I think they are balanced. I can also do the Endgame part very easily.

Keyword : I think.

The reality is that LE is just not balanced.

Falconeer and Warlock are just so overpowered compared to every other mastery that it's a joke. It's been that way since 1.0. There has been DOZENS of threads on Steam and the official forum about this.
Even on a single class, Runemaster just destroys the other two Sorcerer masteries, there's no point to pick them except if you want to build Meteor.

Just because you're able to get to the endgame with every build doesn't mean that every build functions on the same powerscale. Is your homebrewed non-meta build pushing 6k+ Corruption? I don't think so.

I love how we complain about Armor being dogsh.t in PoE2 yet praise LE for its balance.
Like, did we forget how OP Ward is compared to every other type of defensive layer in LE? Has everyone forgotten the Healing Hands 12k+ eHP gen/s?
Even classes that don't inherently benefit from it or have skill trees that improve ward build it in endgame.

You'd know that had you actually played the game or researched the topic for less than 5 minutes.

[Mortius]

Last Epoch.

[swrv]

Originally posted by Fluffy Newfoundland:

Originally posted by /dev/random:

You, probably, should learn how to decide for yourself. Nobody's gonna take your mommy's role here.

So it's true, PoE community is one of the most toxic one uh ?

Also, seeing like almost all your comment on other thread, are you trying to get the award for most useless answer in a thread ? Wondering.

He's right tho. No one can hold your hand and tell you what you want. Only you can decide that

[GamerBee]

Originally posted by NotxEevee:

Originally posted by GamerBee:

How ridiculous to assume that I've played for 30 hours just by looking at my profile. Do I only have one account? I have no intention of explaining it to you.

Assuming that one person = one account on Steam except if they're a bot or a cheater is quite literally the most common take.

Originally posted by GamerBee:

And yes, I have played almost every class and I think they are balanced. I can also do the Endgame part very easily.

Keyword : I think.

The reality is that LE is just not balanced.

Falconeer and Warlock are just so overpowered compared to every other mastery that it's a joke. It's been that way since 1.0. There has been DOZENS of threads on Steam and the official forum about this.
Even on a single class, Runemaster just destroys the other two Sorcerer masteries, there's no point to pick them except if you want to build Meteor.

Just because you're able to get to the endgame with every build doesn't mean that every build functions on the same powerscale. Is your homebrewed non-meta build pushing 6k+ Corruption? I don't think so.

I love how we complain about Armor being dogsh.t in PoE2 yet praise LE for its balance.
Like, did we forget how OP Ward is compared to every other type of defensive layer in LE? Has everyone forgotten the Healing Hands 12k+ eHP gen/s?
Even classes that don't inherently benefit from it or have skill trees that improve ward build it in endgame.

You'd know that had you actually played the game or researched the topic for less than 5 minutes.

Dude, I don't really care what you think about whether I've played Last Epoch or not. I use translate and I may not have fully put into words what I said above. And lastly, I played the game for a long time on my brother's account, then I bought it and I'm lazy at writing.

[Mordy]

As of right now, Last Epoch, no contest.

Maybe when rest of the acts are released, the skill gaps are filled, more supports added and the game actually properly balanced for the slower paced combat vision then PoE2 might be worth fully investing into but we're not there yet, not even close.