Witch too strong while other characters too weak?

[Deyvson]

I just finished the game on normal difficulty with the Witch, and I basically used Body Explosion against normal enemies and Bone Storm against bosses. It was a simple gameplay, very high damage and good defense with shield and minions. Using the other characters with none of them I can kill the boss of the Second Act. I didn't try much, I simply changed characters, but it was incredibly easy with the Witch, I just got to the bosses and killed them in the first or second try, but with any other character the game feels much harder.

[wulfster42]

Yep, although I usually go with staff + 2 handed mace myself. Mace just works so well with it, and you have all melee nodes boosting both as well. Attack nodes work for bow/staff though so it's not horrid.

But I think you underestimate how much a quiver adds. I am not playing right now, but my top end bow is fairly comparable after you add in the insane boosts it gets from it's quiven, to my top end 2 handed mace.

The difference is my bow fires alot faster, from range, and the skills are just so much more versatile.

I run with mace/staff on my melee chars BECAUSE there are so many good combos (I have posted before about using ice strike from staff + drop a bell, then rock with my 2 handed mace attacks (hitting both the bell and the target/boss). Mace has the great leap slam as well, and the combo is GREAT. Not saying it's not great, or that you can't destroy stuff with a staff or mace (or spells).

I'm just saying that if you have a good high damage physical bow, you can walk through the game, freeze everything from range, explode the whole screen with herald of ice, and never get hit/damaged by most bosses. That is without great equipment and often with only 1 or 2 skills being used (along with basic attacks, which again, the bow has the best basic attacks due to range/attack speed, high damage, and utility.

But maybe I'm biased, I have played ALOT of characters through the game and eventually just got to the point that running through with a bow (admittingly I have really good low/mid/high level bow/quivers) was easier. The quiver is a big reason for that as it adds ALOT with the 80% increased quiver nodes. Just makes the game a walk in the park.

[Wadu HekKkkkK Bubatzcrime ⓁⓄⓁ]

witch not stronk get 2 shootet from most bosses in 0.2 secs and becaus energy shild recharge takes years you death mostley

[Shade30Seven]

here im just gunna go ahead post this so we can all see whats OP, theres like one ranger in the top 10 bracket hcssf rest is sorc and witch.

https://pathofexile2.com/ladders

[Shade30Seven]

stats dont lie

[donut32]

Guy posts hc ladder and says "yeah see everyone plays the minion builds"

LMFAO

Has to be a 15 year old

[donut32]

Meanwhile on the REAL version of the game it's deadeyes and stormweavers all the way down the list

[wulfster42]

I don't get that at all. Invoker or stormweaver for that matter? Why are they so powerful? I have not really seen any use for stormweaver outside of Mind over matter (and I think chrono is better for that).

You would imagine each would have big/high damage increases to be top of the ladder, but I don't see that for either of em.

[wulfster42]

引用自 donut32：

Meanwhile on the REAL version of the game it's deadeyes and stormweavers all the way down the list

Deadeye I get, it's pretty much my favorite (though Titan is pretty insane and both Witch ascensions are pretty great).

I don't get Stormweaver though, I must be missing something. I only have one stormweaver and I didn't like the elemental storm ability that much. I went with the arcane surge bonuses....maybe I messed up and am missing something.

[donut32]

引用自 wulfster42：

I don't get that at all. Invoker or stormweaver for that matter? Why are they so powerful? I have not really seen any use for stormweaver outside of Mind over matter (and I think chrono is better for that).

You would imagine each would have big/high damage increases to be top of the ladder, but I don't see that for either of em.

Permanent arcane surge getting boosted per 15 mana is insanely broken with dreamshards and ingenuity. Invincible except for bogus 1 shots. You get 10k mana and like 1600 regen.

[EvilHare]

引用自 donut32：

Guy posts hc ladder and says "yeah see everyone plays the minion builds"

LMFAO

Has to be a 15 year old

It's more than HC.

there are 4.
Standard
ST HC
SFF
SFF HC

keep on coping

[Shade30Seven]

引用自 wulfster42：

Has to be a 15 year old

like most i just proved you wrong, no you wanna slur insults!

[wulfster42]

引用自 donut32：

引用自 wulfster42：

I don't get that at all. Invoker or stormweaver for that matter? Why are they so powerful? I have not really seen any use for stormweaver outside of Mind over matter (and I think chrono is better for that).

You would imagine each would have big/high damage increases to be top of the ladder, but I don't see that for either of em.

Permanent arcane surge getting boosted per 15 mana is insanely broken with dreamshards and ingenuity. Invincible except for bogus 1 shots. You get 10k mana and like 1600 regen.

Yeah, I get that and mentioend it myself (although chrono also can full heal, and you still get a ton of mana...arcane surge just boosts the mana regen). I'd say it's a toss up between them personally.

Where does the damage come from though? I imagine top players all must have tons of damage to make it work and titan/witch/gemling ascensions all add alot more damage, even for spell casters. Not sure why a storm would surpass them, let alone a ton of storms. I'm missing something I guess.

[Shade30Seven]

引用自 wulfster42：

引用自 donut32：

Meanwhile on the REAL version of the game it's deadeyes and stormweavers all the way down the list

Deadeye I get, it's pretty much my favorite (though Titan is pretty insane and both Witch ascensions are pretty great).

I don't get Stormweaver though, I must be missing something. I only have one stormweaver and I didn't like the elemental storm ability that much. I went with the arcane surge bonuses....maybe I messed up and am missing something.

Yes ranger deadye good but its no were near this powerful. the ES stacking is insane right now so witch, monk, sorc all having a hay day

[Jack Sparrow]

引用自 Deyvson：

I just finished the game on normal difficulty with the Witch, and I basically used Body Explosion against normal enemies and Bone Storm against bosses. It was a simple gameplay, very high damage and good defense with shield and minions. Using the other characters with none of them I can kill the boss of the Second Act. I didn't try much, I simply changed characters, but it was incredibly easy with the Witch, I just got to the bosses and killed them in the first or second try, but with any other character the game feels much harder.

It's very cute that you are using completion of the game on normal difficulty as your benchmark for what is currently over powered.

[Crim]

witch is just less gear dependent. Like early on she out damaged my merc by quite a bit, then I got a great crossbow and he kills twice as fast as her. even though she has a great weapon herself . Basically shes great if you have ♥♥♥♥ luck