How do Scepters buffs work?

[No' Name]

Hello all,

So me and a friend are playing this game together, he's a a Witch, I'm a Sorcerer, we're both sort of running "minion" builds, him more-so than me due to being a witch, but I have some along as basic meat shields.

So, we're in Act 2, and I found this Blue Rattling Sceptre from Risu, which gave 6 HP per second regen, and I thought they, that's a pretty decent HP regen to have per second for ALL allies. So I used some orbs, and decked it out to give lightning Damage, Attack Speed, Overall 50% damage boost, etc, etc.

Now the Idea was, that BOTH of our minions, and us get these buffs/boons from the sceptre, because the buffs to state "ALL ALLIES", which in my mind was kind of like the Aura's in Path of Exile 1, where even your party members would benefit from this.

So I was curious about this, and has asked him to open up his Spell/skill menu, and check out his overall stats on his skeletons, and he sent me a screenshot of his, and I sent him one of mine. Now my skeletons and minions show the buffs they get, while his minions, and skills don't show ANY of the buffs that my Sceptre supposedly gives to ALL ALLIES.

So, I'm curious as to how the Sceptre buffs actually work when it says "ALL ALLIES", because this is clearly not the case from what I can tell, and see from his screenshot, in comparison to mine. And for reference, we both highlighted, and checked the overall stats on the Skeletal Warriors, where again, mine did show the lightning damage and buffs, where his just showed basic information of what it would normally look like, albeit with his bonuses added to his Skeletal Warriors.

[xXBulletJusticeXx]

Origineel geplaatst door No' Name:

Hello all,

So me and a friend are playing this game together, he's a a Witch, I'm a Sorcerer, we're both sort of running "minion" builds, him more-so than me due to being a witch, but I have some along as basic meat shields.

So, we're in Act 2, and I found this Blue Rattling Sceptre from Risu, which gave 6 HP per second regen, and I thought they, that's a pretty decent HP regen to have per second for ALL allies. So I used some orbs, and decked it out to give lightning Damage, Attack Speed, Overall 50% damage boost, etc, etc.

Now the Idea was, that BOTH of our minions, and us get these buffs/boons from the sceptre, because the buffs to state "ALL ALLIES", which in my mind was kind of like the Aura's in Path of Exile 1, where even your party members would benefit from this.

So I was curious about this, and has asked him to open up his Spell/skill menu, and check out his overall stats on his skeletons, and he sent me a screenshot of his, and I sent him one of mine. Now my skeletons and minions show the buffs they get, while his minions, and skills don't show ANY of the buffs that my Sceptre supposedly gives to ALL ALLIES.

So, I'm curious as to how the Sceptre buffs actually work when it says "ALL ALLIES", because this is clearly not the case from what I can tell, and see from his screenshot, in comparison to mine. And for reference, we both highlighted, and checked the overall stats on the Skeletal Warriors, where again, mine did show the lightning damage and buffs, where his just showed basic information of what it would normally look like, albeit with his bonuses added to his Skeletal Warriors.

Two things that we need to determine to answer this properly.

1. How close to him were you when doing the pictures, and were you in a MAP or were you in town?

2. does the stat on your scepter actually say ALL Allies, or does it say ALL Minions or some other vairation of the words?

[No' Name]

Origineel geplaatst door xXBulletJusticeXx:

Origineel geplaatst door No' Name:

Hello all,

So me and a friend are playing this game together, he's a a Witch, I'm a Sorcerer, we're both sort of running "minion" builds, him more-so than me due to being a witch, but I have some along as basic meat shields.

So, we're in Act 2, and I found this Blue Rattling Sceptre from Risu, which gave 6 HP per second regen, and I thought they, that's a pretty decent HP regen to have per second for ALL allies. So I used some orbs, and decked it out to give lightning Damage, Attack Speed, Overall 50% damage boost, etc, etc.

Now the Idea was, that BOTH of our minions, and us get these buffs/boons from the sceptre, because the buffs to state "ALL ALLIES", which in my mind was kind of like the Aura's in Path of Exile 1, where even your party members would benefit from this.

So I was curious about this, and has asked him to open up his Spell/skill menu, and check out his overall stats on his skeletons, and he sent me a screenshot of his, and I sent him one of mine. Now my skeletons and minions show the buffs they get, while his minions, and skills don't show ANY of the buffs that my Sceptre supposedly gives to ALL ALLIES.

So, I'm curious as to how the Sceptre buffs actually work when it says "ALL ALLIES", because this is clearly not the case from what I can tell, and see from his screenshot, in comparison to mine. And for reference, we both highlighted, and checked the overall stats on the Skeletal Warriors, where again, mine did show the lightning damage and buffs, where his just showed basic information of what it would normally look like, albeit with his bonuses added to his Skeletal Warriors.

Two things that we need to determine to answer this properly.

1. How close to him were you when doing the pictures, and were you in a MAP or were you in town?

2. does the stat on your scepter actually say ALL Allies, or does it say ALL Minions or some other vairation of the words?

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3392569646

The only thing the Sceptre should not directly effect is myself.

So I was curious, and before a boss (just outside of the room), I wanted to see the results for myself, so I was going to compare the damage and stuff when he was near me, and when he moved away, to show the difference the sceptre was making to himself, and his minions as well.

https://i.imgur.com/84UiTIc.png

This is MY skeletal Warrior minions, and as you can clearly see, they're being affected by the Sceptre (note the 1-17 lightning damage, from my Sceptre)

https://i.imgur.com/CjXTSGu.png

This is my FRIENDS Skeletal Warrior, when he's right beside me outside of the boss room.

His skeletons have no 1-17 lightning damage to their status, and as I do not control his character, I wouldn't really know what kind of stats are increasing their normal stats, or if my 44% extra dmg and stuff is actually affecting them or not either.

[McPhil]

All Allies means only your minions, even conjured things like a Totem, and yourself.
Sadly not your friends. Even passive skills that let's say increase your attack speed for you and your allies, only work for your minions and not your friend.

Maybe the Templar class will bring some buffs for friends you play with.

[No' Name]

Origineel geplaatst door McPhil:

All Allies means only your minions, even conjured things like a Totem, and yourself.
Sadly not your friends. Even passive skills that let's say increase your attack speed for you and your allies, only work for your minions and not your friend.

Maybe the Templar class will bring some buffs for friends you play with.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3392573163

Clearly says OTHER PLAYERS. And not you personally when you hover over ALLIES.

Which leads me to believe the Sceptre buffs, aren't actually working as intended.

And again, standing directly beside each other, the screenshot of my minions is working as intended, and you can tell because they have the lightning damage applied to their stat sheet, where as my friends skeletons have no such thing on their stat sheet.

[xXBulletJusticeXx]

Origineel geplaatst door McPhil:

All Allies means only your minions, even conjured things like a Totem, and yourself.
Sadly not your friends. Even passive skills that let's say increase your attack speed for you and your allies, only work for your minions and not your friend.

Maybe the Templar class will bring some buffs for friends you play with.

I believe this is incorrect. Everything in the tooltips and all wiki information states that "Allies" considers all minions, totems, party members, and their controlled minions and totems to be allies as well.

Origineel geplaatst door No' Name:

Origineel geplaatst door McPhil:

All Allies means only your minions, even conjured things like a Totem, and yourself.
Sadly not your friends. Even passive skills that let's say increase your attack speed for you and your allies, only work for your minions and not your friend.

Maybe the Templar class will bring some buffs for friends you play with.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3392573163

Clearly says OTHER PLAYERS. And not you personally when you hover over ALLIES.

Which leads me to believe the Sceptre buffs, aren't actually working as intended.

And again, standing directly beside each other, the screenshot of my minions is working as intended, and you can tell because they have the lightning damage applied to their stat sheet, where as my friends skeletons have no such thing on their stat sheet.

yes, this seems bugged. If you basically copy paste all your inoformation to the GGG forums bug reports, perhaps they can get it fixed faster.

[No' Name]

Origineel geplaatst door xXBulletJusticeXx:

Origineel geplaatst door McPhil:

All Allies means only your minions, even conjured things like a Totem, and yourself.
Sadly not your friends. Even passive skills that let's say increase your attack speed for you and your allies, only work for your minions and not your friend.

Maybe the Templar class will bring some buffs for friends you play with.

I believe this is incorrect. Everything in the tooltips and all wiki information states that "Allies" considers all minions, totems, party members, and their controlled minions and totems to be allies as well.

Origineel geplaatst door No' Name:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3392573163

Clearly says OTHER PLAYERS. And not you personally when you hover over ALLIES.

Which leads me to believe the Sceptre buffs, aren't actually working as intended.

And again, standing directly beside each other, the screenshot of my minions is working as intended, and you can tell because they have the lightning damage applied to their stat sheet, where as my friends skeletons have no such thing on their stat sheet.

yes, this seems bugged. If you basically copy paste all your inoformation to the GGG forums bug reports, perhaps they can get it fixed faster.

rofl, I'm not THAT invested in the game.

Plus their forums are confusing, you'd think they'd have a website dedicated to PoE 2, or at least a separate web-page. They just use the same website though.

Thought about asking about this there before posting it here in the first place. But PoE 2 actually has a dedicated discussion section, without having to browse through a buncha crap.

[xXBulletJusticeXx]

Origineel geplaatst door No' Name:

Origineel geplaatst door xXBulletJusticeXx:

I believe this is incorrect. Everything in the tooltips and all wiki information states that "Allies" considers all minions, totems, party members, and their controlled minions and totems to be allies as well.




yes, this seems bugged. If you basically copy paste all your inoformation to the GGG forums bug reports, perhaps they can get it fixed faster.

rofl, I'm not THAT invested in the game.

Plus their forums are confusing, you'd think they'd have a website dedicated to PoE 2, or at least a separate web-page. They just use the same website though.

Thought about asking about this there before posting it here in the first place. But PoE 2 actually has a dedicated discussion section, without having to browse through a buncha crap.

in the forums, the POE 2 is literally at the top.
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-forum/2214
link to bug report section for you ease of use

[Red]

Origineel geplaatst door McPhil:

All Allies means only your minions, even conjured things like a Totem, and yourself.
Sadly not your friends. Even passive skills that let's say increase your attack speed for you and your allies, only work for your minions and not your friend.

Maybe the Templar class will bring some buffs for friends you play with.

this is blatantly wrong

[xXBulletJusticeXx]

Origineel geplaatst door Red:

Origineel geplaatst door McPhil:

All Allies means only your minions, even conjured things like a Totem, and yourself.
Sadly not your friends. Even passive skills that let's say increase your attack speed for you and your allies, only work for your minions and not your friend.

Maybe the Templar class will bring some buffs for friends you play with.

this is blatantly wrong

I already addressed it, and frankly you are blatantly wrong for necroing a month old thread.

[ReignEdaze]

Origineel geplaatst door McPhil:

All Allies means only your minions, even conjured things like a Totem, and yourself.
Sadly not your friends. Even passive skills that let's say increase your attack speed for you and your allies, only work for your minions and not your friend.

Maybe the Templar class will bring some buffs for friends you play with.

please dont ever comment on things you know nothing about, jsut spreading terrible info.
if it didn't work on people, aurabots would be garbage XD