RMT is ruining the economy

[Zbejas]

People are overpricing items and want 40ex or a div for trash items. You cannot trade without RMT anymore. It makes collecting currency in the endgame unfulfilling.

Will GGG do anything about this? As it stands now, the game is great, but the economy in it is going to hell.

[Nico]

I'm sure that they do try to ban RMT users, but obviously they won't be able to catch everyone.

But I don't really see how RMT has a big impact on the economy. All currency that lands in the economy still comes from players playing the game and getting them dropped from enemies or from league mechanics. Just because some currency wanders from one to another account by using real money doesn't mean that it should change much about the actual economy.

And considerign that nobody wants my trash items even for a single Ex I really don't see why trash items would be overpriced, as that's just not what I'm experiencing. Only the actually good stuff costs something.

[Zbejas]

Originally posted by Cereal Guy:

Uh huh, and what percentage of 350k players do you estimate are RMTing?

Enough to be noticeable in the AH and in the trade chat.

[Dailao]

This happens with all systems that allow trading sooner or later.

[Zbejas]

Originally posted by Nico:

I'm sure that they do try to ban RMT users, but obviously they won't be able to catch everyone.

But I don't really see how RMT has a big impact on the economy. All currency that lands in the economy still comes from players playing the game and getting them dropped from enemies or from league mechanics. Just because some currency wanders from one to another account by using real money doesn't mean that it should change much about the actual economy.

And considerign that nobody wants my trash items even for a single Ex I really don't see why trash items would be overpriced, as that's just not what I'm experiencing. Only the actually good stuff costs something.

The beetle bug helped in ruining the economy. Also, in T14+, good items get more and more expensive. Amulets for 2-5div rings for 100ex+, etc.

[Stockwerk 13]

trade league is 110% pay2win and RMT shtfiesta

100 exalts are 5 dollar right now

why would you ever grind the game if working a minimum wage job at mc donalds is like 10x more effective

there is only one solution:

play SSF, it is the real game.

[Stockwerk 13]

Originally posted by Cereal Guy:

Uh huh, and what percentage of 350k players do you estimate are RMTing?

they have 10.000+ bots in WoW:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnauN2pkDBQ

expect similar numbers in PoE, if not more, since PoE2 is hyped right now and thus has a giant market

plus PoE botting is even easier than WoW botting, game is a lot less complex and bot hunters cant kill them like they do in WoW

[Zbejas]

Originally posted by Stockwerk 13:

trade league is 110% pay2win and RMT shtfiesta

100 exalts are 5 dollar right now

why would you ever grind the game if working a minimum wage job at mc donalds is like 10x more effective

there is only one solution:

play SSF, it is the real game.

This is avoiding the issue, not solving it.

[Dailao]

Originally posted by Stockwerk 13:

trade league is 110% pay2win and RMT shtfiesta

100 exalts are 5 dollar right now

why would you ever grind the game if working a minimum wage job at mc donalds is like 10x more effective

there is only one solution:

play SSF, it is the real game.

True, I hope they will improve SSF a bit like Last Epoch tried to do.

[Stockwerk 13]

Originally posted by Dailao:

Originally posted by Stockwerk 13:

trade league is 110% pay2win and RMT shtfiesta

100 exalts are 5 dollar right now

why would you ever grind the game if working a minimum wage job at mc donalds is like 10x more effective

there is only one solution:

play SSF, it is the real game.

True, I hope they will improve SSF a bit like Last Epoch tried to do.

Yep, Last Epoch Trade and SSF implementation is by far the best in the genre.

[Zbejas]

Originally posted by Cereal Guy:

Originally posted by Stockwerk 13:

they have 10.000+ bots in WoW:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnauN2pkDBQ

expect similar numbers in PoE, if not more, since PoE2 is hyped right now and thus has a giant market

We get it. RMT exists. That's not my point. People learn a thing exists and then blame everything on it. The economy is not one dimensional.

This game has enough problems on it's own without you vomiting misinformation just so you can recruit like 3 more vegan crossfit SSF players.

He still has a point (not the other game thing). 100ex is 4€ on G2G, and 1div is 2.5€. In the endgame, gambling with modifiers is not a good option to level up your gear. When checking the market for some better gear, you will find a lot of options that are WAY overpriced. It's not like I can't play without the items, but it would be better.

Just because you don't think it's a problem, doesn't mean it's not.

[Stockwerk 13]

Originally posted by Zbejas:

Originally posted by Cereal Guy:

We get it. RMT exists. That's not my point. People learn a thing exists and then blame everything on it. The economy is not one dimensional.

This game has enough problems on it's own without you vomiting misinformation just so you can recruit like 3 more vegan crossfit SSF players.

He still has a point (not the other game thing). 100ex is 4€ on G2G, and 1div is 2.5€. In the endgame, gambling with modifiers is not a good option to level up your gear. When checking the market for some better gear, you will find a lot of options that are WAY overpriced. It's not like I can't play without the items, but it would be better.

Just because you don't think it's a problem, doesn't mean it's not.

for whatever reason this dude camps the forum and all pay2win related threads and tells people it is a non issue

maybe he is an RMTer himself, downplaying the problem?

about GGG: they do banwaves in PoE 1... like once every other year.
but its not enough
PoE 1 trade league is entirely pay2win for the longest time, everyone knows that

seeing they did exactly nothing to trade and just copy the bullcrap system 1:1 from PoE 1 i dont see it getting better in PoE 2

hence why i HIGHLY reccomend you play SSF:
pay2win will kill your motivation, even if you dont personally do it, you play in a completely rigged market

[我在玩我的球和狗屎]

Devs just need to remove rarity amplificator from items

[Zbejas]

Originally posted by Cereal Guy:

Originally posted by Zbejas:

He still has a point (not the other game thing). 100ex is 4€ on G2G, and 1div is 2.5€. In the endgame, gambling with modifiers is not a good option to level up your gear. When checking the market for some better gear, you will find a lot of options that are WAY overpriced. It's not like I can't play without the items, but it would be better.

Just because you don't think it's a problem, doesn't mean it's not.

Again, I'm not denying it's existence at all.. I'm denying it's the sole cause of the economy being in the state it's in.

It can just as easily be a moron feedback loop. Nobody has any clue what anything is worth. ♥♥♥♥ prices will be all over the place. People get a drop and check it against other trash, oh 3 div?! I guess I'll list my trash for 3 div too. The mistake you're making is assuming that crap is actually selling when most of it will just rot unsold.

I can see it disappear from the trading site, so stuff is getting sold. As for the feedback loop, I do agree people have no idea how to price their items, but I still think RMT is a big factor here since most bits of advice I got for "how to trade late game" was to just RMT a bunch of exalted and divine orbs.

I have also asked around my friend group and found out more than 30% of them already bought some currency online. Since RMTing is usually a bannable offense, I don't really want to play with fire and lose all the money I spent on the packs.

So what's left? I can post a forum message asking a question. I can also RMT some currency so I can buy some T15 waystones, and some gear. I cannot afford them without RMT. This is why I am here, asking if GGG has any plans to mitigate this.

[Stockwerk 13]

Originally posted by Cereal Guy:

I don't say it's a non-issue. You guys blame the entire economy on it and can't substantiate anything as to why other than "WoW has a lot of bots" lol

PoE2 has a shtload of bots, otherwise they would not be selling 100 exalts under 5 dollar.
Stop downplaying the problem, it makes you look very suspicious on your private profile throwaway account.

Originally posted by Zbejas:

I have also asked around my friend group and found out more than 30% of them already bought some currency online. Since RMTing is usually a bannable offense, I don't really want to play with fire and lose all the money I spent on the packs.

yep, 30% is what i would say aswell

but even if ur the 70% who do not pay2win, you still play in a completely rigged and bloated market
the botting mafia is printing currency and flooding and inflating the market,
which you are playing in.

[Zbejas]

Originally posted by Cereal Guy:

Originally posted by Zbejas:

I can see it disappear from the trading site, so stuff is getting sold.

This isn't proof of sale. People go offline. People use dump tabs. People pick up every trash rare and unique and try to sell it. Then run out of space and have to vendor some of it.

As for GGG. Yeah they say they care but I mean, everyone running the TFT mirror shop still have accounts despite openly racketeering and RMTing. The poe1 market still survived fine despite it. This is why I don't agree with it getting the blame for everything. It's one dimension out of 20.

How would I even prove this? What can be proved is the market prices, and maybe number of transactions for sellers on G2G? But since G2G isnt the only site, I doubt that would show the whole picture anyway.